I'm one of the toughest ones on this site on anyone if a person tests positive. I assume athletes are clean unless there is evidence to the contrary. K Kiptum raced 28:xx 10000m & 58:xx 1/2 Marathon. I don't recall reading any threads accusing him of p.e.d. use. We've gotten used to watching 3000m to 1/2 Marathon athletes racing fast Marathons. We saw today, the 3000m to 1/2 Marathoners like Bekele & Kipchoge don't have to reign the Marathon forever.
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El Keniano wrote:
The myth was just epo wrote:
I’m less interested in who his coach is than who his doctor is. For anyone wondering, this is what full throttle looks like.
Again, irrelevant to this thread. Everyone's doping according to you lot. My point is: Kiptum's talent is terrifying regardless.
You’re not helping yourself or Kenyans.
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Kiptum is on PED. Beriso is on PED. There are no other options. Stop closing your eyes.
The marathon is corrupted
For years we heard that LA was not doping
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Shameless wrote:
He is not self-coached. It's just that his coach is also his pharmacist.
We call them chemists in Kenya, thanks.
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Kelvin could be the greatest marathoner of all-time in terms of taking to the event. We’ve all run the marathon and understand how hard it is to nail, especially your first time out. Great stuff.
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it's not anywhere near as hard when you're only running for 2 hours.
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El Keniano wrote:
Beererr wrote:
Kiptum is clean as can be. The guy is just a natural runner, self coached and eating Ugali. This guy was born to run. The doping accusations are coming from fat freaks who struggle to waddle to the fridge. This man is so clean I would guess that Rekrunner would lick ice cream off of him.
This thread isn't about whether he's clean or not. But how he can achieve what he did by himself.
There are other things you should analyze first for this performance!
Perfect weather in Valencia, give credit to pacemakers who did a perfect job on this one! Valencia is very flat and fast, there were still almost 10 strong athletes at 30km!
Tola started pushing it but not way too hard, it was subtle! Then it became a real race when Kiptum tried to push! He asked Tola and Geay the Tanzanian to help up or pass by, nobody wanted to help they were just happy following Kiptum. When he made the move, he was trying to break these two, so not after time! Combine all these factors and you get the performance! Let’s not forget he is 58 half guy! Kiptum was confident in his training and I am convinced if Tola didn’t make the move too early, he could have run under 2h02 himself too! If you wanna see a sub 2h one day this is how it can be done in Berlin! Good pacemakers, good weather and a lot of strong athletes! Not only 3 athletes in front!191 -
gihkjhh wrote:
it's not anywhere near as hard when you're only running for 2 hours.
lol, I've had the same rationale when trying to go from 2:59 to 2:50.
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Almost time to update my 5 year stats.
Despite supershoes since 2016, there was no noticeable improvements of the top 5 Kenyans from 2015 - 2019.
Despite (or because of) the pandemic and despite the shorter time period, they improved by a full minute on average after 2020. Yesterday was also the first time that a second Kenyan (after Kipchoge in 2018) ran faster than Kimetto back in 2014.
Kenyan top marathon performers, 2010 – 2014
2:02:57 – Kimetto Berlin 2014
2:03:13 – Mutai Berlin 2014
2:03:23 – Kipsang Berlin 2013 – banned 2020
2:03:38 – Makau Berlin 2011
2:04:11 – Kipchoge Chicago 2014
Average: 2:03:28 (1x 2:02, 3x 2:03, 1x 2:04)Kenyan top marathon performers, 2015 – 2019
2:01:39 – Kipchoge Berlin 2018
2:03:13 – Kipsang Berlin 2016 – banned 2020
2:03:51 – Biwott London 2016
2:04:06 – Cherono Amsterdam 2018 – banned 2022
2:04:11 – Kipserem Rotterdam 2019 – banned 2022
Average 2:03:24 (1x 2:01, 2x 2:03, 2x 2:04)Kenyan top marathon performers, 2020 – 2022
2:01:09 – Kipchoge Berlin 2022
2:01:53 – Kiptum Valencia 2022
2:02:57 – Ekiru Milano 2021
2:03:00 – Cherono Valencia 2020 – banned 2022
2:03:13 – Kipruto Tokyo 2020
Average 2:02:24 (2x 2:01, 1x 2:02, 2x 2:03)162 -
Sorry, of course it was Chebet not Cherono (too much copy/paste):
2:03:00 – Chebet Valencia 2020
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Just run baby.
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El Keniano wrote:
First of all, what poor staging for a press conference. Do better, Valencia. Especially given you have arguably the most spectacular backdrop for a marathon finish anywhere in the world.
Second, I know this is LR and accusations are already flying left and right, but let's talk about this for second: Kiptum said he trains alone in Chepkorio (outside of Eldoret about 15K from Kaptagat) and, when asked, emphatically yelled into the mic that "I have no coach!". Assuming (for arguments sake) you lot are correct about this performance being too good to be true. How is someone so young (Kelvin is only 23) able to run such a staggering time that more experienced runners with better technical backing, coaching and (allegedly) PEDs, aren't?
Doped or not, what does this say about the depth of raw talent in the Rift Valley? Is anyone else's mind blown? And what could he accomplish with proper guidance from a Renato Canova or a Patrick Sang?
So you implying he could be faster if expertly coached. I guess that means 1.59 instead of 2.01. The suspension of disbelief by fans is off the charts.
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iash wrote:
Kiptum is on PED. Beriso is on PED. There are no other options. Stop closing your eyes.
The marathon is corrupted
For years we heard that LA was not doping
I'd bet my life this cat was saucing. Elite running is a sham.
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Exactly
Coaches are for people with weak minds
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Acuminiman wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
This thread isn't about whether he's clean or not. But how he can achieve what he did by himself.
There are other things you should analyze first for this performance!
Perfect weather in Valencia, give credit to pacemakers who did a perfect job on this one! Valencia is very flat and fast, there were still almost 10 strong athletes at 30km!
Tola started pushing it but not way too hard, it was subtle! Then it became a real race when Kiptum tried to push! He asked Tola and Geay the Tanzanian to help up or pass by, nobody wanted to help they were just happy following Kiptum. When he made the move, he was trying to break these two, so not after time! Combine all these factors and you get the performance! Let’s not forget he is 58 half guy! Kiptum was confident in his training and I am convinced if Tola didn’t make the move too early, he could have run under 2h02 himself too! If you wanna see a sub 2h one day this is how it can be done in Berlin! Good pacemakers, good weather and a lot of strong athletes! Not only 3 athletes in front!I don't think he believed he would be able to drop them. He makes the sign of the cross starting from 1:37:17 in this video. He was running faster than he'd planned (video queued).
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Beererr wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Again, irrelevant to this thread. Everyone's doping according to you lot. My point is: Kiptum's talent is terrifying regardless.
Again you were discussing doping in the opening post and then you say the thread is not about that. Why the hell are you trying to police others when you yourself discussed it?
I did it to preempt the usual LR blather. Focus on his awesome talent.
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Message.Board.All.American wrote:
I coached myself to a 3:11 full thon on a much harder course. It's not that tough. Everything you need to know is on the message boards.
Lol
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Does doping require coaching?
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Jambo, habari?
First of of, Kelvin is not 23. More likely 28-30. Finn-san says add 5-7 years.
Secondly, his English is rather poor n i doubt he fully understood the questions. He is def on something. Anyways, it was a wicked performance. He reminds me so much of kipchoge. Bear in mind that he was doing all kinds of Antica during the race. Talking to his competitors, doing the cross sign on his chest, taking his watch off etc. Imagine how fast he could have run if he solely focused on running. Lol.
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The myth was just epo wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Again, irrelevant to this thread. Everyone's doping according to you lot. My point is: Kiptum's talent is terrifying regardless.
He is definitely a super responder.
Aren’t all runners responders but with different starting points or is it just another way to say someone is talented?
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