Did he really run 25 miles at 5:40 pace with a banged up knee? That's 1.2 miles away from a sub 2:30 marathon--he should have just run Boston.
Did he really run 25 miles at 5:40 pace with a banged up knee? That's 1.2 miles away from a sub 2:30 marathon--he should have just run Boston.
Hodgie,
Even though you did shut up biwot pretty effectively (gotta at least give you that), what do you have against cross-training?? I know you are a running purist, and "old-school" as they say, but....if the guy is hurt, what is wrong with Cross-Training?? Look at how well Ritz has come back after months in the pool. If Ritz had taken your advice, he might very well still be hurt. So on that account, biwot is right, and your "knowlege" is little suspect after all.
Let us know why cross-training for a injured runner is a bad thing!
Gil say,
>Let us know why cross-training for a injured runner is a bad thing!<
It is not a bad thing, it is too much of a good thing for TM, in that it is slowing his healing process, rest recovery, in my humble opinion.
MattP wrote:
Did he really run 25 miles at 5:40 pace with a banged up knee? That's 1.2 miles away from a sub 2:30 marathon--he should have just run Boston.
Did you try actually clicking on the link? Why not ask if his legs actually fell off too?
biwot wrote:
Go read Brannen's log
Just wondering where one can find Brannen's log? Is it really available or are you making up a hypothetical to support your argument? Not trying to be offensive, I'm just really interested in whether it is available.
Before making accusations agianst The Dartmouth coach or Tom Mcardle take a look at the Dartmouth program. We get near 10 runners every year who have run roughly 4:20 and 9:20. It is a developmental philosophy, not a graveyard for footlocker finalists. McArdle through steady increase and smart experamations has turned from an 8:38 high school 3K runner to a 28:18 10K man. We don't have scolarships, so athletes have the ultimate say. If you think the Dartmouth coach is pushing McArdle to race though injuries, why didn't he race indoor heps. It was won in what, like 14:20, and still no semi healthy McArdle was forced into the race. I'm defending my program here. I know we only have one high profile runner, but before attacking the coach ask yourslef, "who has come here and not improved?"
moreceli1978 you can find Brannen's log at
look on the left side of the page...
-brett
get off barry's back, he's one of the most conservative coaches out there, and in no way advocates running through pain... if tom does so it's because he doesn't want ncaa xc to have been his last collegiate race. if you've never heard of barry before reading this thread, then don't post ficticious crap about him... barry kept tom injury free and extremely fast for his first three years at dartmouth, much of which tom was over 100 miles per week. also, barry has built a consistently nationally ranked xc team with no athletic scholarships and very high admissions standards... if you don't think he knows how to coach then you're out of your mind
So when did college athletes start running what they wanted to and stop listening to their coaches. They should call it The Dartmouth Club Team.
A sort of hypothetical question...How many posting to this thread have ever coached college distance runners and had to manage the drive that they bring to their training?
The reason I ask this is that most college coaches who are around for any length of time will have to deal with a talented runner who does through the kind of cycle that McArdle is currently in. I've seen it happen to my friends when I was a college runner, and I see the same thing happen now that I'm coaching. There's no magic cure. The fact is that when you train to be great it's almost inevitible that sometimes you are going to break down. I doubt that Tom's coach set it up for this to happen, but regardless you play the hand you're dealt. With Tom being a senior I can't put much blame on him for trying to come back to make NCAA's. NCAA's is a big deal in this program, just read Tom's race report from XC last fall. So as much as it may be wise to look ahead to the 2004 Trials it's obvious that Outdoor NCAAs was a priority this year.
The only thing I can see that maybe should have been considered is to redshirt this outdoor season, take a few months complete recovery, and then try to run a solid Outdoor 2004 campaign followed by summer 2004 chasing the Olympic dream. Obviously I know little of the details on Tom's personal situation (academics, finances, athletic goals) so I don't know if this would have been a possibility for him.
As a coach I can say that without a doubt when an athlete you're working with gets on the injury train it just breaks your heart.
I heard that Tom Mcardle is real out of shape and ran the BC res. loop in over 40 minutes anybody know if the rumor is true?
biwot say: Now I know why hodgie not able to land
. college coaching position.
biwot = idiot
Numbnuts, thats Bob F*cking Hodge your criticizing. The man has run 2:10 in the marathon and 28 and change in the 10K in case you didn't know. He was one of the big boys in the hayday of American distance running you worthless piece of sh*t. You and your worthless credentials dont deserve to post on the same board, much less knock his training philosophy.
Sorry DII, didn't realize that hodgie-san was THE Bob F*cking Hodge. This is the same Hodge that won a couple of Boston's and a New York, plus 2 Olympic Trial 10,000M.
Shit with these credentials, I would think that AD's would be banging the door down to have him as their track coach. What gives, bad breath?
Maybe it's that he is JUST AN ASSHOLE!!
LOL.
Nah, hes actually a very nice guy and knows his shit. His results speak for themselves you ignorant ass.
pot to the kettle, buddy...
OK dimwatt, you got me. I ain't worthy.
say, what!
I don't know why you are replying to me, I made no accusations. You must have read someone elses post and responded to me.
biwot -
You are way out of line in your criticism of Bob Hodge. He knows his stuff and is a good guy too. No one who actually knows him would trash him, personally or as a runner, as you have done. He's earned respect, and you should show it.