No, much worse drugs, for raw athletic performance. Though they are better in the sense that they probably don't cause as many permanent side effects as the 80s drugs. This should be patently obvious - it's why the 30-40 year old records have stood on the women's side. Women get a more dramatic boost from anabolics. We've only be able to somewhat approach some of their records with the modern combination of faster tracks, faster shoes and equipment, and modern training methods...plus whatever drugs they may be using.
When you're competing without worrying about accurate testing, you can use drugs that maximize the anabolic advantage. I wouldn't be surprised if the testosterone levels in the blood of top female competitors in the 80s was as high or higher than today's DSD athletes.
All of the research since has gone into making the drugs harder to detect, to defeat ever more sensitive testing regimes. Efficacy is sacrificed for stealth.
Why is one of the most suspect 80's record holders saying this and being taken seriously?
You're either ROFL or delusional, no middle ground here. Okay let's hear the clean-Coe arguments, I'm in the mood for a laugh
There is no evidence at all that Coe doped, certainly no more then any other elite athlete from the era, other than he ran fast.
There were no huge jumps in performance, his progression being pretty gradual. He was certainly one of the most tested athletes of the 80’s and was always being picked by Andy Norman, Ovett’s agent and organiser of many top meets in UK and in Europe, as a randomly selected athlete at meets. British athletes were also amongst the first to be subjected to out of competition testing by their national federation from the early 80’s. Coe called for blood doping to be banned when publishing a Government White Paper alongside the then Sports Minister in 1985, and it’s recommendations were taken up by the IAAF at the end of 85, when blood doping was banned. Coe ran his fastest 1500m the following year.
He competed at international level for 14 seasons and was subjected to IAAF random testing out of season in 89, the year it was introduced. He ended up running the 2nd fastest 800m of the year - 1.43.38 - and won silver at the World Cup over 1500. I think such longevity and being able to run so well at 32, at a time when he would have been tested randomly and out of competition by both his national federation and the IAAF is evidence that he was clean and certainly more tested than many others more recently would have been tested from certain countries.
Cruz ran 1:41.77 and Koskei 1:42.28 in 84, and both had much shorter careers and were not running 1:43 low at 32. Is there general consensus that they were doping too? Neither would have been tested as often as Coe.
Cram, Aouita, Maree, Scott, Gonzales, Bile - all ran within a second of Coe’s pbs at either 1500 or 1 mile. They must have been dopers too right?
As I’ve already stated, there has never been a shred of evidence put forward in the 40+ years since he first set a record to suggest he doped or took anything that would enhance performance.
On doping, that horse has long bolted. No record set today will be clean unless it is known that anyone doping can be caught. They can't - and aren't caught, unless they are "dumb or careless" (WADA).
Why is one of the most suspect 80's record holders saying this and being taken seriously?
You're either ROFL or delusional, no middle ground here. Okay let's hear the clean-Coe arguments, I'm in the mood for a laugh
There is no evidence at all that Coe doped, certainly no more then any other elite athlete from the era, other than he ran fast.
There were no huge jumps in performance, his progression being pretty gradual. He was certainly one of the most tested athletes of the 80’s and was always being picked by Andy Norman, Ovett’s agent and organiser of many top meets in UK and in Europe, as a randomly selected athlete at meets. British athletes were also amongst the first to be subjected to out of competition testing by their national federation from the early 80’s. Coe called for blood doping to be banned when publishing a Government White Paper alongside the then Sports Minister in 1985, and it’s recommendations were taken up by the IAAF at the end of 85, when blood doping was banned. Coe ran his fastest 1500m the following year.
He competed at international level for 14 seasons and was subjected to IAAF random testing out of season in 89, the year it was introduced. He ended up running the 2nd fastest 800m of the year - 1.43.38 - and won silver at the World Cup over 1500. I think such longevity and being able to run so well at 32, at a time when he would have been tested randomly and out of competition by both his national federation and the IAAF is evidence that he was clean and certainly more tested than many others more recently would have been tested from certain countries.
Cruz ran 1:41.77 and Koskei 1:42.28 in 84, and both had much shorter careers and were not running 1:43 low at 32. Is there general consensus that they were doping too? Neither would have been tested as often as Coe.
Cram, Aouita, Maree, Scott, Gonzales, Bile - all ran within a second of Coe’s pbs at either 1500 or 1 mile. They must have been dopers too right?
As I’ve already stated, there has never been a shred of evidence put forward in the 40+ years since he first set a record to suggest he doped or took anything that would enhance performance.
Says who? The man that had toxoplasmosis? IAAF Banned blood doping in 1986. Coe after that did not achieve the same results
Wrong. For a start toxoplasmosis is a very common ailment that has effected over 50% of world population. Most people catch it through undercooked meat or unwashed fruit & veg. Autologous blood doping isn’t going to give you toxoplasmosis unless you use contaminated equipment. Suffering from toxoplasmosis is not evidence of blood doping.
IAAF banned blood doping at end of 85, so it was already in place in 86, the year Coe ran his fastest ever 1500m. He ran 3:29 AFTER blood doping was banned.
World Records and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Women) Every World Record in Track and Field has been accomplished with the aid of Performance Enhancing Drugs Let’s take a look at the Womens records: 100m Florence Griffith Joyner (United States) - 10.49 (0.0 m/s) 16 July 1988, US Olympic Trials, Indianapolis, United States This race was the quarter-final of the U.S. Olympic trials in 1988. It was wind-aided and drug-aided! The wind gauge was faulty for the race in which Florence Griffith Joyner set this record. A 1995 report commissioned by the IAAF estimated the true wind speed was between +5.0 m/s and +7.0 m/s that day in Indianapolis, rather than the 0.0 recorded. See the video of this race here: https://youtu.be/Mrt9yZL8dbI
You can clearly see her hair blowing in the wind at the start line and after the race. Florence Griffith Joyner (aka ‘Flo Jo’) was on Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) big time in the 1980’s. As a result she started to grow facial had, her voice deepened, her muscles became bigger and she started running super fast. A workout she did in 1988 involved a time trial of two 600m runs. Where she had to go through the first 400m in 49 seconds. So she was approaching the world record even in workouts. Crazy. Because she did PEDs to such an extreme extent, she died of the long term side effects in 1998 at the age of 38. 200m Florence Griffith Joyner (United States) - 21.34 (+1.3 m/s) 29 September 1988, Olympic Games, Seoul, South Korea See above about “Flo-Jo” 400m Marita Koch (East Germany) - 47.60 6 October 1985, World Cup, Canberra, Australia Marita Koch achieved this time with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs. The drugs she used were and remain illegal, but were not detectable at the time (1985). In 1991 German anti-drug activists were able to save several doctoral theses and other documents written by scientists, working for the East German drug research program. The documents list the dosage and timetables for the administration of anabolic steroids to many athletes of the East Germany, one of them being Marita Koch. According to the sources Koch did use anabolic steroids from 1981 to 1984 with dosages ranging from 530 to 1460 mg/year. A letter to the head of the pharmaceutical company Jenapharm was discovered, in which Marita Koch complained that another athlete received larger doses of steroids than herself, because she had a relative working in the company. Doping in her country East Germany was common and rampant: EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Doping in East Germany The government of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) conducted a decades long program of coercive administration and distribution of performance-enhancing drugs, initially testosterone, later mainly anabolic drugs to its el... Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in... 800m Jarmila Kratochvílová (Czechoslovakia) - 1:53.28 26 July 1983, Munich, West Germany This is the longest lasting World Record in Women’s Track and Field. Jarmila Kratochvílová who may have even been a hermaphrodite competing in Womens races. But if she was a woman, she did PEDs to such an extent that she turned herself into a man. Look her up on Google images. You see essentially the body of a man, face of a man, underarm hair, no breasts, no hips, muscular arms and legs. She was the most masculinized female runner in Track and Field history. She tested positive for PEDs, but the results of the positive tests were destroyed. 1500m Qu Yunxia (China) - 3:50.46 11 September 1993, Chinese National Games, Beijing, PR China 3000m Wang Junxia (China) - 8:06.11 13 September 1993, Chinese National Games, Beijing, PR China 10,000m Wang Junxia (China) - 29:31.78 8 September 1993, Chinese National Games, Beijing, PR China Qu Yunxia and Wang Junxia were known as the ‘chemical sisters’ of China. They were coached by a man named ‘Ma Junren’ He gave his athletes performance enhancing drugs as part of his training regime. 6 of his athletes were among 27 competitors dropped from China's team for the 2000 Sydney Olympic games after failing blood tests. As a result he was dropped as a coach from the Chinese Olympic team. Ma Junren, who denied supplying his athletes PEDs, instead claimed that he fed his female athletes turtle blood and a special fungus. Sure Ma, where can I get some? PEDs and Womens World Records. A match made in heaven. The Male version of this list is just as bad.
Says who? The man that had toxoplasmosis? IAAF Banned blood doping in 1986. Coe after that did not achieve the same results
Wrong. For a start toxoplasmosis is a very common ailment that has effected over 50% of world population. Most people catch it through undercooked meat or unwashed fruit & veg. Autologous blood doping isn’t going to give you toxoplasmosis unless you use contaminated equipment. Suffering from toxoplasmosis is not evidence of blood doping.
IAAF banned blood doping at end of 85, so it was already in place in 86, the year Coe ran his fastest ever 1500m. He ran 3:29 AFTER blood doping was banned.
IAAF banned blood doping at end of 85, so it was already in place in 86, the year Coe ran his fastest ever 1500m. He ran 3:29 AFTER blood doping was banned.
LOL. Nice deflection from Coe, just like Radcliffe with her frozen samples to prove she was clean (which however disappeared): he knew very well that blood transfusions couldn't be detected.
At best it stopped some competitors with ethics from using them. At minimum, it made him look tough on doping. Win win, well done, Coe.
