Is WERKWUHA GETACHEW a genetic male?

Here is our interview with her. Jonathan Gault asks her if she is able to run the 800 and she said yeah.

Now he didn't ask her if she is elible to run the women's 800 in elite women's competition. An intersex athlete could always run the 800 in open competition or pratice.

Um, I think she was outed by her own appearance.

In Wales we would call her an 8 pinter

Check out Daniel - 5th in the 10k

Do people really still not understand the difference between DSD and trans? One is assigned at birth, the other is chosen later in life and involves transitioning. Most of the DSD athletes believed they were girls throughout their upbringing and will identify as such

Fact is, a lot of people on these boards don't care about the difference. They just want an opportunity to look morally superior and be spiteful.

If anyone does care: DSD athletes (XXY athletes / intersex athletes) express external (genital) characteristics of being female early in life. As they mature, their testosterone levels are higher, and they express some physical features in body shape more like men. I might not agree that XXY athletes should be able to compete against XX athletes due to their inherent advantages with that Y chromosome, but 1) they are women and 2) there should be mechanisms to let them compete and represent their nation.

M2W trans athletes also have inherent advantages due to their Y chromosome. Their transition might technically be a choice, but their innate biology drives them towards transition. Just like XXY athletes, I don't agree they should be able compete against XX women, but 1) they are women and 2) there should be mechanisms to let them compete and represent their nation.

Maybe we should start competitions and awards for intersex and M2W athletes like we have for paralympics? Imagine an intersex 800m at the WC. Would be pretty incredible competition, I think!

What about the runner who blew by Jenna P in the 200 heats?

What other sport has this type of nonsense? It is a freak show. Doping. DSD. Etc.

If the rules are clear, what was the point of asking the question, unless you are trying to make them feel bad, or other?

Maybe you are trying to get the person to open up and see how they feel about the rules, if they themselves are at all conflicted, do they experience misgivings from fellow competitors, etc. If so, then you need to actually ask those types of questions.

To the person who wrote:

"Fact is, a lot of people on these boards don't care abut the difference. They just want an opportunity to look morally superior and be spiteful."

No. We want the competition among women to be fair. DSD athletes are coming in because they and their federations/agents have a chance to make money. They have a clear genetic and physical advantage that means they are in another category.

Did you see Semenya physically next to the ladies in the 5000? Tell me they are the same.

I get it. They are poor and from poor countries and this is a way they can make money to live. I would just as soon write them a check and let them compete with the men.

Why are you bringing up XXY persons here? XXY is a disorder of male sex development called Klinefelter syndrome in which affected males have the customary male XY male sex chromosomes with an extra X chromosome added. XXY males are born with normally-developed male genitals. However, their testes often are on the small size and they typically will not be able to make sperm when they reach adolescence and adulthood.

More to the point: the testes of males with Klinefelter's underproduce testosterone, meaning XXY males typically have lower natural T than normally-developed males do.

The male sex of XXY individuals is crystal clear at birth - and via the customary kinds of testing done during fetal development too. Boys with Klinefelter syndrome are never mistaken for girls as babies.

Due to their low testosterone and other factors, XXY boys and men during and after adolescence have poor muscle tone, don't develop normal male strength and speed, and they have other physical problems that limit their ability to perform well in sports. Some have impaired or delayed development intellectually as well.

There is no history of anyone with Klinefelter's attempting to compete in women's sports. Nor has anyone ever argued that when males with Klinefelter syndrome do participate in sports, they belong in the female division.

The WA rules regarding the participation of DSD athletes in women's competition apply only to athletes with handful of disorders of male sex development that occur in healthy XY persons who have testes that are normally-developed and whose disorder of sex development does not impair their ability to achieve top-tier physical fitness and to perform well in sports. Persons with the DSDs covered by the WA DSD regulations who are competing in women's athletics have always produced testosterone in the normal range for healthy males at every stage of their development. In fact, many of them naturally produce T in the high end of the normal male range - and some have T levels that exceed the normal male range.

At the time of birth, the testes of the athletes affected by the WA rules pertaining to DSDs in women's competition typically had not finished descending into the scrotal sac. They were usually were born with penises that were minuscule and/or malformed (hypospadias) or penises that were missing altogether. But none of them have any female organs. Their internal organs are the typical males ones: prostates, male seminal vesicles and ducts. None of them have a uterus, cervix, Fallopian tubes, ovaries or vagina.

Other than being in an unusual location at birth, there is nothing wrong with the testes of the XY DSD athletes competing in women's sports. Their testes function fine in terms of producing the massive amounts of testosterone customary for males. In many cases, their testes function fine in terms of producing sperm too. With ART, many of the XY DSD athletes competing in women's sports can father children.

1. XX women can run sub 14, Gidey is already at 14:06 with a substantial portion solo

2. intersex women make up a small portion of the population. There are several tiny countries where the best man can't even touch the women's world record. Its simply a numbers game.

3. intersex women must undergo hormone therapy to keep their testoserone below the limt in the 1500. When Semenya did this it added 5 - 10 seconds to her 800m times! Now for the 5k this isn't required, but for the 1500 it is. If she runs 3:46 on hormone therapy that means she needs to be a sub 3:35 runner without hormone therapy. There just aren't enough runners who can run sub 3:35 for this to happen. Maybe in the 5k, where they don't need hormone therapy this is possible. Francine showed us at the olympics.

It sounds like what you are describing is a male; maybe a deformed male, but male nonetheless.

The rules should be clear that males (deformed or other) are not to compete in women’s races.

Lol. She utterly and completely fails the eyeball test. There is no outing her.

So if memory serves, the athletes who have been banned, or limited in events, for being inter-sex are African. Is this more of an African phenomena? In other words, where are European or American inter-sex athletes? do they not gravitate toward track and field?

I assume that they have surgery to be male in the US.