Nowadays, the only males who identify as the opposite sex who routinely are getting their balls removed and penises reconfigured for the purpose of "gender affirmation" are the teenagers who were "transitioned" in childhood prior to puberty by their parents, gender therapists and doctors - and who were put on "puberty blockers" early enough to prevent them from maturing enough to experience normal male libido, erections and male sexual pleasure. Such as poor Jazz Jennings and Trinity Neal, both of whom were prevented from going through puberty and ended up being castrated and having their penises removed and reconfigured before they reached the age of majority and legal consent.
Can you point to a peer reviewed study to confirm this? That's the standard you ask from other posters. So I expect you to do the same here.
Why do some posters take this as an opportunity to bash trans people? The original post, and most replies, are trying to figure out how we can be fair to all involved. The transphobic posts should be removed.
Just thinking out loud: non-binary runners are maybe one percent of the field. Should there also be prize money for wheelchair, parents pushing a baby stroller, runners with dogs, etc, which are often a larger percentage of the field? I understand that non-binary is a real identity for some, but it is also chosen by some who do not want to be labeled in our society. Open races don’t have a homosexual division, which isn’t a choice. I think it is great that they have a non-binary division, but I am struggling to come up with a reason not to have a bunch of other categories. That might actually make the races more fun, and those different categories can be a part of post-race awards and parties. But because of the small percentage of applicants, I don’t see a justification of equal prize money.
Nowadays, the only males who identify as the opposite sex who routinely are getting their balls removed and penises reconfigured for the purpose of "gender affirmation" are the teenagers who were "transitioned" in childhood prior to puberty by their parents, gender therapists and doctors - and who were put on "puberty blockers" early enough to prevent them from maturing enough to experience normal male libido, erections and male sexual pleasure. Such as poor Jazz Jennings and Trinity Neal, both of whom were prevented from going through puberty and ended up being castrated and having their penises removed and reconfigured before they reached the age of majority and legal consent.
Can you point to a peer reviewed study to confirm this? That's the standard you ask from other posters. So I expect you to do the same here.
The paragraph you've selectively snipped is from a longer post of mine responding to another post that suggested most males who claim to "identify as" women today have been castrated. I responded by saying that as a matter of fact, very few adult and adolescent males who claim they "identify as" women elect to have genital surgeries in which they lose their balls (and penises). Males who have gone through male puberty and have been able to experience normal male libido, arousal, erections, sensations and orgasm and are making medical decisions for themselves in adulthood hardly ever elect to lose their dicks and balls no matter how much they believe they "feel like" women, no matter how vociferously they claim to "identify as" women, and no matter how insistent they are in their demands that others see them as women.
Here are some peer-reviewed papers that substantiate my claim that in the current century, very few males who were allowed to develop normally as kids and did not have "puberty blockers" and castration pushed on them as minors go on to have their balls removed as adults even when they adopt an opposite-sex gender identity.
"Prevalence and Types of Gender-Affirming Surgery Among A Sample of Transgender Endocrinology Patients Prior to State Expansion of Insurance Coverage" published in the journal Endocrine Practice, 2017:
In 2015, a majority of transgender endocrinology clinic patients had not undergone any type of gender-affirmation surgery. Among those who did elect to have a surgery, genital surgery or gonadectomy were uncommon. The low rate of surgery among this sample of transgender patients may be attributable to the financial cost, lack of interest in surgery, or that genital surgery is not a high priority for transgender individuals relative to surgery to change visible features such as face and chest.
Objective: Transgender individuals now have many options for medical intervention, including gender-affirmation surgeries. However, it is unknown how common it is for transgender individuals to undergo these surgeries. The pu...
"Demographic and temporal trends in transgender identities and gender confirming surgery" published in the journal Translational Andrology and Urology, 2019:
Trends in specific gender confirming procedures
In general, GCS is more common in transgender men [females who identify as the opposite sex] than in transgender women [males who identify as the opposite sex], and least common in gender non-binary or nonconforming populations.
Transgender men self-report GCS prevalence at rates of 42–54%, while transgender women report it at around 28%, and non-binary individuals at around 9% (7,8).
Across transgender populations, chest (“top”) surgery is more common than genitourinary reconstructive (“bottom”) surgery.
Genital GCS is generally less common than chest surgery, with prevalence rates of about 25–50% for transgender men and 5–10% for transgender women (7,9,32).
For transgender women, genital GCS comprises a number of procedures, including vaginoplasty (most commonly intestinal or penile inversion) with labiaplasty and/or clitoroplasty, penectomy, and orchiectomy. Transgender women report bottom surgery at rates between 5–13% (7-9,32).
Transgender women and non-binary individuals assigned male at birth may commonly seek procedures that feminize other highly-gendered aspects of their outward presentation, such as the face, tracheal cartilage, body contour, body hair, and voice. Such procedures constitute 10.6% of all transgender inpatient hospital visits (7,8,32,39,40). Prevalence rates are about 50% for hair removal, 3–8% for facial feminization, and 1% for feminizing phonosurgery. Prevalence for silicone injections, a risky procedure not endorsed or performed by medical professionals, is around 16.7%, and may have serious or fatal health consequences (41,42). These ancillary procedures are much less common in transgender men (7).
Transgender and gender non-binary (TGNB) individuals are a growing demographic with unique healthcare needs. Amid changes in public and private insurance coverage of gender confirming surgeries (GCS), utilization of these pro...
Just thinking out loud: non-binary runners are maybe one percent of the field. Should there also be prize money for wheelchair, parents pushing a baby stroller, runners with dogs, etc, which are often a larger percentage of the field? I understand that non-binary is a real identity for some, but it is also chosen by some who do not want to be labeled in our society. Open races don’t have a homosexual division, which isn’t a choice. I think it is great that they have a non-binary division, but I am struggling to come up with a reason not to have a bunch of other categories. That might actually make the races more fun, and those different categories can be a part of post-race awards and parties. But because of the small percentage of applicants, I don’t see a justification of equal prize money.
I don't have a dog. Can I compete in the non-caninary division? I do have a cat, so is there a felinary division?
Here are some peer-reviewed papers that substantiate my claim that in the current century, very few males who were allowed to develop normally as kids and did not have "puberty blockers" and castration pushed on them as minors go on to have their balls removed as adults even when they adopt an opposite-sex gender identity.
I am asking for evidence that trans people who take puberty blockers are "pushed" by their parents or other adults to transition.
You specifically mentioned Jazz Jennings as one example. Where is the evidence that Jazz's parents pushed her to transition? And where is the evidence that she had a sexual reassignment surgery before the age of consent?
Do you think all trans kids who started transition as minors were "pushed" by their parents or other adults?
Center for Disease Control (USA) treatment guidelines:
Providers caring for transgender women should have knowledge of their patients’ current anatomy and patterns of sexual behavior before counseling them about STI and HIV prevention. The majority of transgender women have not undergone genital-affirmation surgery and therefore might retain a functional penis; in these instances, they might engage in insertive oral, vaginal, or anal sex as well as receptive oral or anal sex.
Just thinking out loud: non-binary runners are maybe one percent of the field. Should there also be prize money for wheelchair, parents pushing a baby stroller, runners with dogs, etc, which are often a larger percentage of the field? I understand that non-binary is a real identity for some, but it is also chosen by some who do not want to be labeled in our society. Open races don’t have a homosexual division, which isn’t a choice. I think it is great that they have a non-binary division, but I am struggling to come up with a reason not to have a bunch of other categories. That might actually make the races more fun, and those different categories can be a part of post-race awards and parties. But because of the small percentage of applicants, I don’t see a justification of equal prize money.
Agree, if you want to have a third division fine. But equal prize money is absurd, it's going to lead to situations where a) men just sign up as non-binary to poach easy prize money. and b) a biological man wins prize money with a time that is slower than the winning women because the pool of competition is so shallow
You specifically mentioned Jazz Jennings as one example. Where is the evidence that Jazz's parents pushed her to transition? And where is the evidence that she had a sexual reassignment surgery before the age of consent?
Do you think all trans kids who started transition as minors were "pushed" by their parents or other adults?
According to this article, Jazz Jennings had her first "bottom" gender confirmation surgery at 17.
My friends' 12 year old (male at birth) who as recently as a couple of months ago wanted hormone blockers and to be called she/her or they/them. Now, he has changed his mind. He is still questioning gender, but now is OK with he/him again. I'm certainly glad he didn't start puberty blockers or estrogen!
According to this article, Jazz Jennings had her first "bottom" gender confirmation surgery at 17.
My friends' 12 year old (male at birth) who as recently as a couple of months ago wanted hormone blockers and to be called she/her or they/them. Now, he has changed his mind. He is still questioning gender, but now is OK with he/him again. I'm certainly glad he didn't start puberty blockers or estrogen!
Did your friends push their kid to transition? And does this ONE case prove anything about other trans kids?
Why do some posters take this as an opportunity to bash trans people? The original post, and most replies, are trying to figure out how we can be fair to all involved. The transphobic posts should be removed.
That this very reasonable post has more downvotes than upvotes tells you a lot about this place.
According to this article, Jazz Jennings had her first "bottom" gender confirmation surgery at 17.
My friends' 12 year old (male at birth) who as recently as a couple of months ago wanted hormone blockers and to be called she/her or they/them. Now, he has changed his mind. He is still questioning gender, but now is OK with he/him again. I'm certainly glad he didn't start puberty blockers or estrogen!
Did your friends push their kid to transition? And does this ONE case prove anything about other trans kids?
There are now a number of online groups for parents of transgender children, such as on the Mermaids website and on Facebook, with collectively thousands of members. They’re presented as support groups but they appear to invo...
Read some of the stories in this article and get back to me if you still think that kids aren't pushed into this sh*t. Institutionalizing this is only going to lead to more of these cases coming out. Is the concept of a 'trans child' so sacred to you that you'll sterilize mentally ill children to prove its legitimacy?
Just thinking out loud: non-binary runners are maybe one percent of the field. Should there also be prize money for wheelchair, parents pushing a baby stroller, runners with dogs, etc, which are often a larger percentage of the field? I understand that non-binary is a real identity for some, but it is also chosen by some who do not want to be labeled in our society. Open races don’t have a homosexual division, which isn’t a choice. I think it is great that they have a non-binary division, but I am struggling to come up with a reason not to have a bunch of other categories. That might actually make the races more fun, and those different categories can be a part of post-race awards and parties. But because of the small percentage of applicants, I don’t see a justification of equal prize money.
I don't have a dog. Can I compete in the non-caninary division? I do have a cat, so is there a felinary division?
I have never been a race director, but I have a lot of respect for what they do. They have to decide what they want to reward, what they want to emphasize, what sort of experience they want to provide to their paying participants.
The nonbinary option maybe is a good selling point for a race in one part of the country, not just in terms of the number of nonbinary participants but also in terms of the race's overall "affect." It could appeal to a population that supports in principle the idea of nonbinary as a reasonable gender choice. It arguably wouldn't be a selling point in other parts of the country.
As far as races with other categories and nonstandard aspects, we already have them. I've competed (with dog) in a race that encourages dog participation, and which had a prizes both for the human/dog category and the human-only category. I've been in other races that prohibited dogs. Obviously, some races have a wheelchair division, most don't. You'll never have a baby-stroller division for liability reasons.
Regarding prize money, if I were a race director, I would worry about the appearance of welcoming people to register as nonbinary, and then having second-rate or lower-tier prizes for them. "Yes, you can register, but only at this inferior level." It would undermine the experience that you're trying to create.
Why do some posters take this as an opportunity to bash trans people? The original post, and most replies, are trying to figure out how we can be fair to all involved. The transphobic posts should be removed.
That this very reasonable post has more downvotes than upvotes tells you a lot about this place.
Because the label "transphobic" is a meaningless phrase that conveys nothing about an individuals beliefs. Is it "transphobic" of me to not want 6 year olds put on puberty blockers, or see 12 year olds groomed into socially transitioning by school staff without their parents knowledge? Am I transphobic for thinking that a father shouldn't lose custody over his 15 year old son because he doesn't approve of him medically transitioning?
Read some of the stories in this article and get back to me if you still think that kids aren't pushed into this sh*t. Institutionalizing this is only going to lead to more of these cases coming out. Is the concept of a 'trans child' so sacred to you that you'll sterilize mentally ill children to prove its legitimacy?
Substack? Yeah, people post there when they are "deplatformed" from other sites. ;)
That this very reasonable post has more downvotes than upvotes tells you a lot about this place.
Because the label "transphobic" is a meaningless phrase that conveys nothing about an individuals beliefs. Is it "transphobic" of me to not want 6 year olds put on puberty blockers, or see 12 year olds groomed into socially transitioning by school staff without their parents knowledge? Am I transphobic for thinking that a father shouldn't lose custody over his 15 year old son because he doesn't approve of him medically transitioning?
I must be transphobic because I do not believe in bodily mutilation, particularly of minors. Because I do not believe in bodily mutilation, I must also be altitudophobic, because I don't believe people should be chopping up their legs and putting them back together just to gain a few inches in height in order to feel better about themselves.
Because the label "transphobic" is a meaningless phrase that conveys nothing about an individuals beliefs. Is it "transphobic" of me to not want 6 year olds put on puberty blockers, or see 12 year olds groomed into socially transitioning by school staff without their parents knowledge? Am I transphobic for thinking that a father shouldn't lose custody over his 15 year old son because he doesn't approve of him medically transitioning?
Read some of the stories in this article and get back to me if you still think that kids aren't pushed into this sh*t. Institutionalizing this is only going to lead to more of these cases coming out. Is the concept of a 'trans child' so sacred to you that you'll sterilize mentally ill children to prove its legitimacy?
Substack? Yeah, people post there when they are "deplatformed" from other sites. ;)
If you actually read it you'd see that the evidence consists of moms posting in "trans child" support groups on Facebook. Maybe try reading some of the WrongThink websites, might open your mind a bit more than NPR and infographics on Instagram.
Because the label "transphobic" is a meaningless phrase that conveys nothing about an individuals beliefs. Is it "transphobic" of me to not want 6 year olds put on puberty blockers, or see 12 year olds groomed into socially transitioning by school staff without their parents knowledge? Am I transphobic for thinking that a father shouldn't lose custody over his 15 year old son because he doesn't approve of him medically transitioning?
Where in your cited article does it say 6 yr olds are getting puberty blockers or 12 yr olds are groomed into transitioning?
Sorry I didn't think it was necessary to provide explicit evidence for all of my points but since I'm sure this is all you need to change your mind I'll add them in below.
James Damon Younger, whose mother and pediatrician wanted to put him on puberty blockers when he was 6
"The lawsuit against the Kettle Moraine school district was filed in Waukesha county circuit court last Wednesday. The plaintiffs argue that the district undermined and overrode parents’ decision-making role regarding a “major and controversial” issue. “Specifically,” it said, “the district has adopted a policy to allow, facilitate, and ‘affirm’ a minor student’s request to transition to a different gender identity at school – without parental consent and even over the parents’ objection.”
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