Just look at the names of the top 20 all time at the start of 2020.
Why stop at the start of 2020? Why are you not including Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Josh Kerr in that top 20? What is different about them? Are you saying the previous top 20 are suspicious but those two are not? Of course you are.
I just spelled it out for you? Are you a bot? What part of Morocco, Algeria, Kenyan, hundreds of doping busts, WADA watch list, Russia, Ukraine, Bylorussia, doorbell Mo, do you not understand?
So you cherry pick one year in which, what was it, 2 British sprinters and a shot putter got busted... and still Kenya with abysmal testing had over twice as many busts (all distance runners)? What point do you think you are proving? Herb Elliott was as likely dirty as El G and Bernard Lagat?
The point Coevett is that skin color is the main litmus test you utilize to determine whether an athlete is doping or not. I know you use other criteria too but skin color predominates as the crucial factor for you.
Elliot was truly great but did burn out early, probably due to temperament and Cerruty's demanding training regimen. As for turning down money to run, I'm not sure what he would have accomplished, except financial gain, if he had taken it as he could not have competed in most noteworthy meets of the day and any records would not have counted due to the amateur rules.
It's incorrect to say that he "burned out". He retired on the top of his game, not after a string of declining performances.
It think it was more a question of the strain of the expectations of maintaining that undefeated at 1500m/one mile record...
Why stop at the start of 2020? Why are you not including Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Josh Kerr in that top 20? What is different about them? Are you saying the previous top 20 are suspicious but those two are not? Of course you are.
I just spelled it out for you? Are you a bot? What part of Morocco, Algeria, Kenyan, hundreds of doping busts, WADA watch list, Russia, Ukraine, Bylorussia, doorbell Mo, do you not understand?
Am I a bot? I run. Do bots run? Do you run?
You presented a list of suspicious athletes and left out the last two seasons so that you wouldn't include your two darlings among the suspicious runners.
Really, how can anyone still be surprised when you get called racist.
Young readers who doubt how much bigger track was back then...
Roger Bannister was SI's first Sportsman of the Year (for 1954). And the magazine devoted an entire page to a lap-by-lap account of the 10,000m duel between Pirie and Kuts in the 1956 OG.
Track articles were frequent in season, appearing in most issues right through the '60s.
Track and field is even bigger today, with more athletes participating, more people at a high level and more big meets. The sports channels are the ones missing the boat. They say track doesn't get ratings, but they have never tried. They have several hours of high-production NFL programming every day, so of course people get caught up in that. They have never tried to promote track and field other than showing one meet without any build-up, then they say "see, it doesn't work."
Imagine if they had daily shows talking about all the great things going on in track, and about all the big meets coming up. If people started hearing about it, they would start paying attention and start watching the meets. They could gain viewers and advertisers if they spent time building it up, but they already have a cash cow so they don't want to build up a race horse.
Elliot was truly great but did burn out early, probably due to temperament and Cerruty's demanding training regimen. As for turning down money to run, I'm not sure what he would have accomplished, except financial gain, if he had taken it as he could not have competed in most noteworthy meets of the day and any records would not have counted due to the amateur rules.
I remember a quote from Elliot that I saw several years ago. He said that if he'd continued racing seriously he'd have become a monster personally and he did not want to become such a person. It would have had that affect on him which is not hard to believe when you remember that "mental" training was a big part of what Cerutty did and he really wanted his athletes to regard their competitors as enemies. When John Landy stopped to help Ron Clarke back to his feet after he fell in that mile race in 1956 Cerutty saw it as a sign of weakness on Landy's part.
Through the week Elliot's training was not all that time consuming. The weekends at Portsea were much more all consuming but probably a lot of fun too. Cerutty attributed Elliot's early retirement to wanting to get married saying Elliot's "sex drive got the best of him."
Track and field is even bigger today, with more athletes participating, more people at a high level and more big meets. The sports channels are the ones missing the boat. They say track doesn't get ratings, but they have never tried. They have several hours of high-production NFL programming every day, so of course people get caught up in that. They have never tried to promote track and field other than showing one meet without any build-up, then they say "see, it doesn't work."
Imagine if they had daily shows talking about all the great things going on in track, and about all the big meets coming up. If people started hearing about it, they would start paying attention and start watching the meets. They could gain viewers and advertisers if they spent time building it up, but they already have a cash cow so they don't want to build up a race horse.
Well, yes, if they did have those daily shows. But they don't. Try calling a sports talk station to discuss track. There may be more meets and athletes but none of them draw the crowds that meets at Madison Square Garden, Boston Garden, etc. drew. And when was the last time Sports Illustrated had recurring articles about the sport? There was a time when you could count on annual multi page articles about AAU and NCAA Championship meets and usually a shorter one on the NCAA cross country meet. It was always something of a niche sport but not nearly so much as now.
Elliot was truly great but did burn out early, probably due to temperament and Cerruty's demanding training regimen. As for turning down money to run, I'm not sure what he would have accomplished, except financial gain, if he had taken it as he could not have competed in most noteworthy meets of the day and any records would not have counted due to the amateur rules.
I remember a quote from Elliot that I saw several years ago. He said that if he'd continued racing seriously he'd have become a monster personally and he did not want to become such a person. It would have had that affect on him which is not hard to believe when you remember that "mental" training was a big part of what Cerutty did and he really wanted his athletes to regard their competitors as enemies. When John Landy stopped to help Ron Clarke back to his feet after he fell in that mile race in 1956 Cerutty saw it as a sign of weakness on Landy's part.
Through the week Elliot's training was not all that time consuming. The weekends at Portsea were much more all consuming but probably a lot of fun too. Cerutty attributed Elliot's early retirement to wanting to get married saying Elliot's "sex drive got the best of him."
Sounds like a great quote. Recall where you read it?
Thanks but no. It's been many years. If I had to guess I'd say it was part of a transcript of an interview he did with the Australian Broadcast System but that's just a guess.
Do you have a link for that story on Cacho’s coach claiming he doped him?
I trained with Kim McDonald’s group in the late 90’s and never saw anything suspicious. Even while staying with the Kenyans in Teddington (when I had to convince them that it was not a good idea to kill a deer in Bushy park) I saw nothing that would suggested they were doping.
Looking back on their training now, I think they could have been even better with a few small changes.
Back to the topic. Herb was a beast and could easily compete with any athlete today.
Do you have a link for that story on Cacho’s coach claiming he doped him?
I trained with Kim McDonald’s group in the late 90’s and never saw anything suspicious. Even while staying with the Kenyans in Teddington (when I had to convince them that it was not a good idea to kill a deer in Bushy park) I saw nothing that would suggested they were doping.
Looking back on their training now, I think they could have been even better with a few small changes.
Back to the topic. Herb was a beast and could easily compete with any athlete today.
I would give anything to watch a couple of Kenyans persistence hunt deer in an English park!
Do you have a link for that story on Cacho’s coach claiming he doped him?
I trained with Kim McDonald’s group in the late 90’s and never saw anything suspicious. Even while staying with the Kenyans in Teddington (when I had to convince them that it was not a good idea to kill a deer in Bushy park) I saw nothing that would suggested they were doping.
Looking back on their training now, I think they could have been even better with a few small changes.
Back to the topic. Herb was a beast and could easily compete with any athlete today.
Sorry, it was Eufemiano Fuentes, who was doctor to the Spanish national team for a long time, including for Barcelona. I don't believe Kim McDonald was doping anybody. I didn't realize he coached Cacho. One or two of his group are suspicious to many (for example Ngeny) simply for the full throttle period and the extraordinary times, but EPO was so available back then, athletes could easily be abusing it without their coaches knowledge or help.
