He's back baby!!! Olympic 100 champ Marcell Jacobs returns to action and looks great (6.51 FTW)!

Sprintdom is chocked full of sprinters running out of nowhere times, that has been going on forever, so....???

Mike Marsh had never broke 20.35 BOOM....19.73 and it goes on and on.......

Now compare the splits and try to understand how sprinting really works.

2 THE GILLS!!!

High schooler Frank Lombardi jumps the gun at the Cali State Champs, so he has to move back a yard ....ha! (talking 20's) So at the gun he simply explodes, blows by everyone, His time.....9,6....which tied the then world record, an unknown HS kid tying the world record.

Sprinting is full of that kind of thing.

This....he ran faster than before he must be dirty, sheesh!!!!

armchair experts wrote:

Now compare the splits and try to understand how sprinting really works.

haha - was that directed at me? How sprinting really works? Well when you are an average international talent like he was and you want to win the Olympics, you take stuff that helps you improve 3 tenths of a second in a season. Is that what you meant?

DinoZ wrote:

Sprintdom is chocked full of sprinters running out of nowhere times, that has been going on forever, so....???

Mike Marsh had never broke 20.35 BOOM....19.73 and it goes on and on.......

Okay so what's your point here. I didn't realize this was a debate on if sprinters have ever taken drugs before and has insane drops in performance, I thought this was about if Lamont Marcel Jacobs was one of them?

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

DinoZ wrote:

Sprintdom is chocked full of sprinters running out of nowhere times, that has been going on forever, so....???

Mike Marsh had never broke 20.35 BOOM....19.73 and it goes on and on.......

Okay so what's your point here. I didn't realize this was a debate on if sprinters have ever taken drugs before and has insane drops in performance, I thought this was about if Lamont Marcel Jacobs was one of them?

Every single time any sprinter does anything .....is he dirty.....that gets old, hell ever hear of Francis Baldwin, how about Doug Hawken BOOM 9.2,,,,out of nowhere and it goes on and on......this guy can't improve without being dirty, I did and so have others. My point is why do we have to talk about.....is he dirty....at all?

DinoZ wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Okay so what's your point here. I didn't realize this was a debate on if sprinters have ever taken drugs before and has insane drops in performance, I thought this was about if Lamont Marcel Jacobs was one of them?

Every single time any sprinter does anything .....is he dirty.....that gets old, hell ever hear of Francis Baldwin, how about Doug Hawken BOOM 9.2,,,,out of nowhere and it goes on and on......this guy can't improve without being dirty, I did and so have others. My point is why do we have to talk about.....is he dirty....at all?

Hi Whatley!

Also, STIll no one cares about your 1920s sprinters examples for your nonsense arguments.

Ingebrixen, Kiplimo, Marcell... where are all these Jacobs coming from?

DinoZ wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Okay so what's your point here. I didn't realize this was a debate on if sprinters have ever taken drugs before and has insane drops in performance, I thought this was about if Lamont Marcel Jacobs was one of them?

Every single time any sprinter does anything .....is he dirty.....that gets old, hell ever hear of Francis Baldwin, how about Doug Hawken BOOM 9.2,,,,out of nowhere and it goes on and on......this guy can't improve without being dirty, I did and so have others. My point is why do we have to talk about.....is he dirty....at all?

Okay so using completely random college sprinters from the 50's (?) with mythical times impossible to validate on a "legend of Bagger Vance" level (there is your Doug Hawken connect) is just ridiculous.

Let me point of some of the nuances at play - age of the athlete and their competitive history, validity of the performance, the level at which the performance increase happens (ie. there is a massive difference between going from 10.8 seconds to 10.5 seconds vs 10.1 to 9.8 second even though numerically the increase is the same. Like honestly. if you can't grasp this then I am having a conversation with someone not on the same intellectual/knowledge plane with respect to this topic.

Most probably you are just harboring a stupid grudge from being owned on an NFL thread elsewhere on these boards and think this is some kind of intelligent "devils advocate" play. Seriously, zip it.

Then there is always reality....

Take a few seconds to find Baldwin 9.2, Hawken 9.2 and no not 50's. And NFL....what?

My point is why is there a need to question everything these athletes do? And trust me nothing intellectually complex about this stuff at all, it's simply why ruin things? You can't figure that guy, really?

Why belittle these athletes accomplishments with a bunch of BS about the validity of it all? How about going with.....clean unless found out otherwise?

Point blank.....is Jacobs clean or dirty, no song and dance just answer the question.

This took 5 seconds

John Carlos USA 9.1 Fresno May 10, 1969

1 Willie McGee USA 9.1 Houston May 8, 1970

3 Earl Harris USA 9.2 Stillwater Apr 22, 1969

3 Michael Goodrich USA 9.2 Des Moines Apr 25, 1969

3 Robert Taylor USA 9.2 Houston May 30, 1969

3 Lennox Miller JAM 9.2 Knoxville Jun 20, 1969

3 Eddie Hart USA 9.2 Sacramento Jun 21, 1969

3 Douglas Hawken USA 9.2 Sacramento Jun 21, 1969***************************

3 Andrew Hopkins USA 9.2 Sacramento Jun 21, 1969

3 Harrington Jackson USA 9.2 A El Paso Mar 28, 1970

3 Melvin Gray USA 9.2 Des Moines Apr 24, 1970

3 James Green USA 9.2 Wichita Jun 13, 1970

3 Ivory Crockett USA 9.2 Wichita Jun 13, 1970

3 George Daniels GHA 9.2 Accra Apr 24, 1971

3 Jack Phillips USA 9.2 Houston May 8, 1971

3 Willie Deckard USA 9.2 Westwood May 8, 1971

3 Francis Baldwin USA 9.2 Pasadena May 28, 1971***********************

3 Cliff Branch USA 9.2 Wichita Jun 12, 1971

3 Harold Porter USA 9.2 Lafayette Apr 15, 1972

3 Herb Washington USA 9.2 Lawrence Apr 22, 1972

3 Joseph Sincere USA 9.2 Grambling May 6, 19

very well stated , nuanced Indeed.

Comparing non pro sprinters is distracting .

Chap is So obviously doping ,

so nervous after Olympics called the season quits , to see if any info emerged , which no.

Definitely a new ped that in sprints past two seasons, that has gone wide spread .

Definitely know what is , as should wada and "iaaf' . Keeping quiet as stuff that good .

whether obvious corrupt sorts care tis stage.

Came from bodybuilding and wellness scene.

His bodybuilding trainer wud be origin.

Obvious some of groups that benefited from it past few years .

Mainly last year but afew before that.

Let's see ,

Many fast standout last year question .

Canadian decathletes group . and 200 guy.

Holloway hurdles trainer and 200m guy .

trayvon resurgence .

Coleman was first far before rest .

Su bungtian ., gave extra meter and half in year .

This Italian chap , is perfect example of what this stuff can do .

Puerto Rican women's hurdler

gained alot last year .

select few Jamaican women dominant resurgence.

Thank you

Hey Brutal, STILL nobody cares about your prehistoric dirt-track leather-spiked hand-timed bullcrap.

Lol you suck, and you put it all out there for everyone to see😂

Go back to your garage and keep taking your loser drugs.

Look at Jacobs, what a loser. He wins Olympic 100m gold, and all people can think about is what a loser he is. In Italy there are a few morans who are happy that they produced a better user than everyone else, but beyond that...loser!😂

Massive fail. He sucks, I hope he and all these other guys get busted soon. They have killed the sport, nobody gives a crap anymore, except in 3rd-world shxthole countries that have literally nothing else to celebrate.

Stichmo, you don't have idea of the real talent of Jacobs. Already in 2016, he jumped 8.48 with 2.8 meters of tailwind, without getting the board, therefore his real jump was longer than 8.70. He had problems in one knee, had almost to stop training for long time, but in his mind he wanted to be a long jumper, so with little training and many small injuries he continued to jump, reaching (still in 2019) the indoor performance of 8.05.

After this, he changed site of training and coach. His coach, from october 2019, is Paolo Camossi, himself world indoor champion in triple jump in 2001. Camossi understood that continuing with long jump could be a big risk for Jacob's career, and started to prepare Marcell for sprinting. In 2020 he never was able to beat Filippo Tortu, because was not able to run with the correct relaxation, using his big muscul strength only.

At the beginning of 2021, Marcell started to work with a "mental coach", who changed completely his approach to the race : now Marcell has full confidence, before not.

Big(us) Dick(us), maybe you don't know Italian had a tradition in sprinting. Livio Berruti won 200m in 1960 Olympics, beating all the Americans, running WR both in semifinal and in the final in the same day.

Pietro Mennea won OG 1980 in 200m, after bettering in Mexico City the WR of Tommie Smith with 19"72, WR that lasted till Michael Johnson.

So, you think to have the "exclusive" of big talents, but sometime we can find freaks of nature also in different Countries. This was Usain Bolt, who won World Junior Championships when only 16, showing a talent nobody else had, maybe in the athletic history, after Bob Hayes. This is now Karsten Warholm, able to bring the WR of 400 hs at the level of 400m flat (and never there was some Norwegian very good in this event). The current Olympic Champion of javelin is Indian, never there was any tradition. The World Champion in 2015 in javelin was Julius Yego, kenyan able to throw longer than 92 meters, when in Kenya never there was a good javelin thrower.

Talent can be everywhere, and you are not able to identify it.

How I already wrote years ago, it's better to creat the doubt to be stupid because you don't speak, than to give the certaintain you ARE stupid because you speak.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

armchair experts wrote:

Now compare the splits and try to understand how sprinting really works.

haha - was that directed at me? How sprinting really works? Well when you are an average international talent like he was and you want to win the Olympics, you take stuff that helps you improve 3 tenths of a second in a season. Is that what you meant?

3 tenths? Damn you coulda been somebody. You coulda been a contender.

Renato Canova wrote:

How I already wrote years ago, it's better to creat the doubt to be stupid because you don't speak, than to give the certaintain you ARE stupid because you speak.

Exactly.

Hey Canova, it’s me. Dietrologia! Your big story is bs, when the real explanation is simple.

I probably know more about Italian sprinting than you do. I want to make this absolutely clear: Italy has some of the absolute best raw sprint talent I have seen. In a clean world, Italy would be competitive if they cared to develop that talent. Guys from the early 60’s, no problem—excellent! By the time Mennea rolls around, it’s a joke, he was using. And then we had the Collio et al affair. Complete scam.

And the highest achievement: the crowning of clown prince Jacobs. ZERO respect. Bigus was right when he said that nobody cares, Jacobs is seen as a fool loser who is so pathetic that he deserves not even scorn, but only pity.

That "took five seconds" cause you're Whatley and you have decades old word docs for your copypasta sprinting lists/research.