Jesus isn't really invested in this kinda stuff, BUT if he was in charge, he'd say Coleman has completed his sentence, let him RUN!
Jesus isn't really invested in this kinda stuff, BUT if he was in charge, he'd say Coleman has completed his sentence, let him RUN!
He's working out that's all, leave him alone! wrote:
Coleman served his ban. Colemen runs at a minor indoor meeting, in the Winter, in a non-Olympic year. There's no major meets until the Summer Olympics in Paris 2024. Give Coleman a break please.
The Olympics have a global audience of billions. The rest are so small they aren't worth mentioning.
Every other sport that has people test positive and sit out allows them to return… so track is a pro sport but shouldn’t do what other pro sports do?
He needed to show us where he was at
Coleman is one of the best in the world—now that he has served his suspension, I want him at big meets on the circuit. Giving him a “shadow ban” would just diminish the entertainment value of those meets.
Our sport shoots itself in the foot with this black-and-white-holier-than-thou-for-the-love-of-the-game-Olympics-as-paragon-of-morality BS. Do I wish we lived in that world? Yes. Do we? Not even close.
We need a credible anti-doping body (which, this is better than it was even a decade ago, let alone the peak of the EPO era, but still has a long way to go) that is capable of reducing flagrant cheating, funded and empowered to hand out suspensions of real consequence (2-4 years) for major first-time violations and lifetime bans for major second violations, and credible and transparent enough that when it hands out reduced bans we can still believe in what we’re seeing on the track.
And then we need media that’s not afraid to mention an athlete’s ban history but also doesn’t constantly get on a soap box about it to the detriment of the sport. And we need fans to get their head out of the sand, live in the real world, and try to actually enjoy the sport rather than make it a sterile, soulless morality play. It’s an *entertainment* product folks—be entertained, and if you’re not, don’t watch!
Millrose is the major U.S. indoor meet and sometimes surpasses U.S. indoor champs in quality.
zvxcxzcv wrote:
Millrose is the major U.S. indoor meet and sometimes surpasses U.S. indoor champs in quality.
There's no indoors at the Olympics. Indoor T&F is not a major sport.
Are you also this upset that Ritzenhein who has violated anti doping rules is coaching ON pro team? Ritz was working with NOP group headed by dirty Alberto Salazar and affiliated with dirty doctors when he was pro himself. Let's be upset cheating across the board here!
dopegms2022 wrote:
Are you also this upset that Ritzenhein who has violated anti doping rules is coaching ON pro team? Ritz was working with NOP group headed by dirty Alberto Salazar and affiliated with dirty doctors when he was pro himself. Let's be upset cheating across the board here!
This is, genuinely, a good point. Let’s acknowledge that lots of people, even ones that we like, are probably doing stuff that gets at least into an ethical gray area, because Athletics is a competitive endeavor and the people involved want to win and reap the rewards for doing so. And so, if whether we’re going to complain about someone who isn’t serving a ban competing is going to come down to whether we like them or not, that’s messed up. If they’re not serving a ban they get to compete.
dopegms2022 wrote:
Are you also this upset that Ritzenhein who has violated anti doping rules is coaching ON pro team? Ritz was working with NOP group headed by dirty Alberto Salazar and affiliated with dirty doctors when he was pro himself. Let's be upset cheating across the board here!
Ritz gets points from me for actually cooperating with the investigation into Salazar.
NERunner03533 wrote:
The sport incentivizes doping. It was like a welcome back party for him. He misses three tests & gets banned for 18 months & commentators treated it like a vacation. Missing tests is genius compared to testing positive. Without the positive test, you can create a media storm of confusion & create as many "what abouts" as you can. So you still have a crowd naive enough to believe there are legitimate reasons to miss that many tests because there wasn't an actual positive. Nike can claim ignorance too & continue to sponsor him.
Professional runners are basically independent contractors. Meets will pay appearance fees to get you to race or you have to run fast times & be let into meets. But, apart from the Trials + World Champs, meets can decide who they are going to let in. Why didn't Millrose just not invite Coleman? Instead they feature him pre-race & the commentators say he won "despite the layoff." Like he went through some great hardship when he chose not to take his drug tests.
This is the problem imo. Nike doesn't drop him. Millrose gives him a lane. He collects maybe an appearance fee, prize money, sponsor bonuses, etc. The incentive is there to cheat. Missing tests doesn't take away from his past accomplishments even though they should. So dope. Win races. Miss tests. Say the system isn't fair. Repeat. You'll get welcomed back with open arms, as if you were away from the sport on a little vacation.
I don't like it & I think meet directors should make it harder for people like Coleman.
In case you didn’t notice, the current Olympic champion in the 100m has a “personal trainer” that got outed as a local steroid dealer. And weeks later he was there to wave the checkered flag at the Italian Grand Prix and kiss babies. So if you want to promote sprinting, you are going to have to deal with drug cheats
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
If an nfl player tests positive it's 4 games then they're back. Nba doesn't really even drug test because they don't want the bad publicity. Lebron obviously took PEDs. Mlb tests but some players are probably protected too. Track has extremely harsh penalties for individuals compared to other sports.
Maybe in the US but in Australia all sports are subject to WADA code and the penalties are the same for all of them. The impression I get from the lax anti-doping in most American sports leagues is that Americans are actually pro-doping and their outrage when people from other countries get caught (see Russia and China) is just virtual signalling.
dullard wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
If an nfl player tests positive it's 4 games then they're back. Nba doesn't really even drug test because they don't want the bad publicity. Lebron obviously took PEDs. Mlb tests but some players are probably protected too. Track has extremely harsh penalties for individuals compared to other sports.
Maybe in the US but in Australia all sports are subject to WADA code and the penalties are the same for all of them. The impression I get from the lax anti-doping in most American sports leagues is that Americans are actually pro-doping and their outrage when people from other countries get caught (see Russia and China) is just virtual signalling.
*virtue signalling that is.
Where Coleman has been all time
All-time men's best 100m
1 9.58 +0.9 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Berlin 16.08.2009
2 9.63 +1.5 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 London 05.08.2012
3 9.69 ±0.0 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 16.08.2008
3 9.69 +2.0 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Shanghai 20.09.2009
3 9.69 -0.1 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Lausanne 23.08.2012
6 9.71 +0.9 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 2 Berlin 16.08.2009
7 9.72 +1.7 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1rA New York City 31.05.2008
7 9.72 +0.2 Asafa Powell JAM 23.11.82 1rA Lausanne 02.09.2008
9 9.74 +1.7 Asafa Powell JAM 23.11.82 1h2 Rieti 09.09.2007
9 9.74 +0.9 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Ad-Dawhah 15.05.2015
11 9.75 +1.1 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Kingston 29.06.2012
11 9.75 +1.5 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 2 London 05.08.2012
11 9.75 +0.9 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1rA Roma 04.06.2015
11 9.75 +1.4 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1rA Lausanne 09.07.2015
15 9.76 +1.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Kingston 03.05.2008
15 9.76 +1.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Bruxelles 16.09.2011
15 9.76 -0.1 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Roma 31.05.2012
15 9.76 +1.4 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1rA Zürich 30.08.2012
15 9.76 +0.6 Christian Coleman USA 06.03.96 1 Ad-Dawhah 28.09.2019
DinoZ wrote:
Where Coleman has been all time
Noone knows where he's been, that's how he got banned
CC is among the fastest sprinters in history, an historically great sprinter.
When it comes to this level of track athlete we need to just get out of the way and enjoy the action.
There's no American Rules football in the Olympics either... or outside of North America really... is that not a major sport?
I understand Coleman finished his Java Certification online during his downtime at his place in L.A.
I mean if you don't know that I've been critical of all dopers then you haven't been paying attention. It's not an either/or. People like Ritz or Jacobs don't get passes. I'm not their biggest fans but, with the way T&F goes, I still want to believe in the sport & fast performances. So the second someone tests positive or gets hit with a whereabouts I'm going to be vocal. Ritz & Jacobs are obviously suspect. Jacobs hasn't gotten hit with anything yet. Ritz never got hit with anything during his career & seemed to have cooperated with the NOP investigation.
I think what people are missing is that I think meet directors have some choice here. Millrose didn't have to be the meet to invite Coleman & pay him money. I think that's worth bringing up. We could make it harder to dope & get away with it. I think athletes would maybe rethink their choices if they knew there were actual financial ($$$) consequences.
dullard wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
If an nfl player tests positive it's 4 games then they're back. Nba doesn't really even drug test because they don't want the bad publicity. Lebron obviously took PEDs. Mlb tests but some players are probably protected too. Track has extremely harsh penalties for individuals compared to other sports.
Maybe in the US but in Australia all sports are subject to WADA code and the penalties are the same for all of them. The impression I get from the lax anti-doping in most American sports leagues is that Americans are actually pro-doping and their outrage when people from other countries get caught (see Russia and China) is just virtual signalling.
Agreed. People like to point the finger to feel self righteous. They generally criticize the thing they would not do themselves. But what sins would they commit that Coleman wouldn't? They're out there.