What do the Norwegians know that we don’t?

It must be the krill oil.

khcglhc wrote:

Norway, with a population of 5.4 million is all over the top of the endurance events.

Of course, we know about the XC skiers. But we told ourselves, who really does that sport.

Then there were the runners. First, the brothers, but now it is extending (Nordas, new young phenoms…)

Finally, we now have the triathletes. Of course, the Olympic champion is from Norway. But now they are taking long distance triathlon to a whole new level. You watch the “old” long distance triathletes simply putting volume in a semi random fashion. Then you look at the methodical, scientific approach of the Norwegians. It does not compare. They will bring this sport to a whole new level,

Nothing!)) They just have another kind of supporting system and endurance sports have always attracted the Norwegian people and kids.They have a similar club system built on voluntary as we Swedes.Last 10 years they have just been lucky to get some great talents Into the sport.And of course the success by some gets more youngsters interested to try the sport.USA have a different system built on high school, college/university and a lot of competitions but interruption of summer vacations with no or very few competitions, different conditions.

COACH WIZARD 1 wrote:

….Last 10 years they have just been lucky to get some great talents Into the sport.And of course the success by some gets more youngsters interested….

I see Blummenfelt training, then I see Sam Long or Ari Klau or… training and it’s simply not the same thing.

They are doing things differently.

Think about what Arthur Lydiard did for the small country of NZ in the 60s and 70s

That EVs are better than ICEs

who d'unbanned wrote:

^^^ Tightly controlled pace on treadmill, easier on joints similar to dirt road but easily measured.

I do now the LT or close LT runs also on treadmill (its cold and dark outside anyway), because i found the pace can be much better controlled and that matters a lot.

COACH WIZARD 1 wrote:

Last 10 years they have just been lucky to get some great talents Into the sport.

Luck!? LOL

You are just jealous, little Swede.

Ikke vær dust.

This is not complicated at all.

Marius Bakken startet with treshold training, had great success, knowledge got passed on to several others due to the same coach (Buraas 13.06, Sondre Moen 2.05). Then the ingebrigtsens made a template week with double treshold, same week in week out —> Success.

Now EVERYONE follows that formula to some degree. Its just a way better method of training. There has been some double treshold coaches in the US, but not as good/scientific. Most athletes have a lactate meter, and keep to the levels adviced. Simple and easy way to run many miles without overtraining, 100 miles a week is pretty normal.

Gotta remember that there is still way more athletes pursuing cross country skiing, way up to 25+ years of age. Success on track keeps some of these talents at the track, they’ve realised its possible to get to a world class level at running, which previously was a pipe dream.

You all know how these workout weeks are, still baffling that you keep doing your old tile training. You think american football guys train like they did in the 80s? :)

They don't have people beat themselves to death working 40+ hours a week with only 2 weeks off. A lot of Americans can't even get things that good, working more like 60 hours a week or more.

Heia Norge! wrote:

COACH WIZARD 1 wrote:

Last 10 years they have just been lucky to get some great talents Into the sport.

Luck!? LOL

You are just jealous, little Swede.

Haha! Still we are your Big Brother )) Not in running, but many other sports.

COACH WIZARD 1 wrote:

Heia Norge! wrote:

Luck!? LOL

You are just jealous, little Swede.

Haha! Still we are your Big Brother )) Not in running, but many other sports.

I am not Norwegian, Moronsson ;))

And now I will be rooting for Spain!

khcglhc wrote:

COACH WIZARD 1 wrote:

….Last 10 years they have just been lucky to get some great talents Into the sport.And of course the success by some gets more youngsters interested….

I see Blummenfelt training, then I see Sam Long or Ari Klau or… training and it’s simply not the same thing.

They are doing things differently.

Think about what Arthur Lydiard did for the small country of NZ in the 60s and 70s

Yep. It says a lot that Lionel Sanders now has switched coach to Gustav Idens brother. Seems like many athletes get good despite switching and changing coaches and taktisk, while the norwegian triathletes, Ingebrigtsen brothers etc are on a steady track with an scientific approach for 10+ years.

I think many other nations have the attitude that they put thousands through the grind, then they see who survives and what results they get. But in Norway at least (and possibly other places) you rather try to find the full potential of every single athlete since you don't have thousands to choose from. That might learn you a thing or two about development, injury prevention etc as well.

Simple: start serious training at an early age, stay dedicated throughout your teenage years. Norwegians do this because its culturally acceptable/expected. Training at an early age is like sleep...once you miss it, you can't make it back up.

how many american children take up serious athletic training? rarely

TresholdIsKey wrote:

This is not complicated at all.

Marius Bakken startet with treshold training, had great success, knowledge got passed on to several others due to the same coach (Buraas 13.06, Sondre Moen 2.05). Then the ingebrigtsens made a template week with double treshold, same week in week out —> Success.

Now EVERYONE follows that formula to some degree. Its just a way better method of training. There has been some double treshold coaches in the US, but not as good/scientific. Most athletes have a lactate meter, and keep to the levels adviced. Simple and easy way to run many miles without overtraining, 100 miles a week is pretty normal.

? :)

How many college teams use lactate meters? Would the coaches even know what to do with them?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

how many american children take up serious athletic training? rarely

skateboarding counts. X games is a bigger sport than running

How come the Finns have fallen off the charts if the Norwegians are being so successful?

Wouldn't the Norwegian "secrets" have passed on to them at some point?

just wanna know wrote:

How come the Finns have fallen off the charts if the Norwegians are being so successful?

Wouldn't the Norwegian "secrets" have passed on to them at some point?

How come? Norway and Finland has pretty different cultures.

khcglhc wrote:

TresholdIsKey wrote:

This is not complicated at all.

Marius Bakken startet with treshold training, had great success, knowledge got passed on to several others due to the same coach (Buraas 13.06, Sondre Moen 2.05). Then the ingebrigtsens made a template week with double treshold, same week in week out —> Success.

Now EVERYONE follows that formula to some degree. Its just a way better method of training. There has been some double treshold coaches in the US, but not as good/scientific. Most athletes have a lactate meter, and keep to the levels adviced. Simple and easy way to run many miles without overtraining, 100 miles a week is pretty normal.

? :)

How many college teams use lactate meters? Would the coaches even know what to do with them?

That is wild. Imagine all the thousands upon thousands of athletes wasted every year.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Johnny Ringo wrote:

how many american children take up serious athletic training? rarely

skateboarding counts. X games is a bigger sport than running

The point is that you don’t need a population of 330 million. 15% of that is quite enough