World juniors insane 800 m, Wanyoni 1:43.76, Al Gouaned 1:44.45, Kibet 1:44.88

Armstronglivs wrote:

too obvious wrote:

...that you are an insane a*$§@e.

The truth always hurts, doesn't it?

I don't think it will hurt you anymore since you probably know it since 50 years that you are an insane a*$§@e.

^

https://www.ksssa.co.ke

Typical results from a few years back. You'll notice some familiar names

http://www.athleticskenya.or.ke/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Kenya-Secondary-Schools-Athletics-Championships-RURINGU-STADIUM-NYERI-Results-2015.pdf

Hate to say it but it's hard to get excited because it's a full two seconds behind Amos' time. That race kind of ruined it for all future juniors.

Kibet looks young, but come on about Wanyonyi ( just barely "17"!!) and Wolde! The 19 year olds from Algeria and Czechia look considerably younger than them. Click on the names for their images.

https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/world-athletics-u20-championships/nairobi21/results/men/800-metres/final/result

At any rate, these guys are very good now and will be competitive on the senior circuit next year and 2024.

jeff tallon wrote:

its really worth about 1.45.5,which is still super quick..altitude affected times,and run with spooky shoes.

This shows stupidity. The best 800m times are not run at altitude. Rudisha in top form best at altitude is 1.42.XX.

zxccxzv wrote:

At any rate, these guys are very good now and will be competitive on the senior circuit next year and 2024.

Al Gaouaned will be a beast in the next coming years. I have seen more more than once this year. You can be sure he is a consistent runner.

The Kenyan 800m runners have been special for many years. I like how they race with no limits, take it out fast and hold on.

I hear the winner has a wife and 3 kids 😉

Jonas Ollsen wrote:

I hear the winner has a wife and 3 kids 😉

No you don't.

i was talking about the race itself,in nairobi,which was run at altitude.athletes who train at high altitude also race well at high altitude.rudisha is a maasai,not born at high altitude.

too obvious wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Kibet, really looks like a kid aged around 14 years old

Age cheat.

Yeah I don't know what some people here think a 14 year old boy looks like - but go to the world juniors website and look at these guys.

Having run in a world juniors championships, nothing has really changed and I mean with respect to some very "developed" looking dudes from eastern Africa in particular. I remember the championships I went to myself and a sprinter on the team were talking to some guys from Ethiopia who straight up told us they were 23 and didn't even realize that would be an issue at the world u/20 championships.

I would very much doubt anything substantial has changed in 20 years. As for doping? I don't think you can discount it. We have to remember that there are certain countries that are competing here where signing with an agent and running professional in Europe is their ticket out of poverty and this is the primary "interview" for all that. We can't dispute that Kenya (just as an example) have issues with doping anymore - and they are hosting the event. So is it possible we have age and drug cheating happening - even at this age-group event? Yes it is.

Kibet is 3 1/2 months older than Wanyoni, but looks much younger in the photos provided.

zxccxzv wrote:

Kibet looks young, but come on about Wanyonyi ( just barely "17"!!) and Wolde! The 19 year olds from Algeria and Czechia look considerably younger than them. Click on the names for their images.

https://www.worldathletics.org/competitions/world-athletics-u20-championships/nairobi21/results/men/800-metres/final/result

To me, Kibet looks around his age and Wanyonyi much older. But - fortunately - people are different.

Ghost1 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you can trust the genuineness of Kenyan performances these days. I see E Germans all over again. Too good to be true.

I think your sentiments are completely wrong and I think you forgot these kids are juniors and it is highly unlikely or virtually impossible that they are already “onto something” at that early age. These kids from Kenya they’re all in high school still studying. They’re not even at University yet. They’re just kids, with amazing talent and guts and great genetics.

I will say with almost absolute certainty 99.9% that the winner (Wanyoni) and the third placer (Noah Kibet), are as clean as whistles.

I have less knowledge about the Algerian who looked very strong. Probably squeaky clean too.

This type of automatic suspicion about outstanding performances is getting old and sad.

This is sarcasm, or what??? It's 2021. Nobody can be so stupid!

Mr. Dopkemboi Kipcheater wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

I think your sentiments are completely wrong and I think you forgot these kids are juniors and it is highly unlikely or virtually impossible that they are already “onto something” at that early age. These kids from Kenya they’re all in high school still studying. They’re not even at University yet. They’re just kids, with amazing talent and guts and great genetics.

I will say with almost absolute certainty 99.9% that the winner (Wanyoni) and the third placer (Noah Kibet), are as clean as whistles.

I have less knowledge about the Algerian who looked very strong. Probably squeaky clean too.

This type of automatic suspicion about outstanding performances is getting old and sad.

This is sarcasm, or what??? It's 2021. Nobody can be so stupid!

You have an interesting handle name which gives clues about your thoughts on the subject even before reading the content but that aside we are talking about high school students in Kenya who are not finished their curriculum yet and who would be very unlikely to dope because that is not the type of situation where people would dope and where providers would incentivize them to dope.

“El Keniano” (highly respected regular contributor on this forum) has also confirmed this to be true and he is on the ground and running in Kenya we believe.

Interesting to see Bett in those results…just two years later and he was banned from the sport for being a drug cheat!

JRinaldi wrote:

Interesting to see Bett in those results…just two years later and he was banned from the sport for being a drug cheat!

He had a great future ahead of him. But he didn't have the right support sytem for someone so young; fell to drinking and partying and next thing, he can't put in the work, starts shortcuts. Such a waste.

jeff tallon wrote:

i was talking about the race itself,in nairobi,which was run at altitude.athletes who train at high altitude also race well at high altitude.rudisha is a maasai,not born at high altitude.

Rudisha was born and raised in Kilgoris, altitude 1700 to 1800 m above sea level (same altitude as Nairobi approximately ) which is around 5600 feet above sea level and then he moved to Iten for high school, St Patrick’s, which is at 2400 m above sea level. Based on these facts I think your statement is not accurate. He has essentially lived at altitude all his life.

If I am wrong on the above, I stand corrected, but a quick Google search will confirm the veracity of the above.