You're not going anywhere without top talent. You're also not going anywhere without reasonably hard work.
You're not going anywhere without top talent. You're also not going anywhere without reasonably hard work.
Not either or homie wrote:
It takes both. There are plenty of talented people that work hard. If you rely on just talent or just hard work you will come up short.
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Plays a Kenyan on letsrun wrote:
Appreciation?? wrote:
Are you sure about that? Imagine if every man in the world loved distance running. You think most would fail to run 16:00 at their max potential?
I would be more inclined to believe that 16:00 5k runners are rare simply because it takes many years of hard training for most people to get there, not because most people lack the genetic ability to get there.
You would be wrong.
No, you would be wrong.
Good discussion
You think that most people have the ability to eventually run 16 and you think that he's trolling? Only on letsrun could someone hold the median in such high regard.
Hard work stops working at the elite levels.
All professional runners work very hard, their talent level differentiates them from one another.
Another Option wrote:
Not either or homie wrote:
It takes both. There are plenty of talented people that work hard. If you rely on just talent or just hard work you will come up short.
Love this.
The thing is, though, that working hard is something you can control. You can develop it and improve it. Being talented isn't. So say you were trying to train someone to beat the world record for 5000m - would you rather have an athlete who was insanely hard-working but not very talented, or one who was insanely talented but not very hard-working? I think the answer is obvious.
With hard work, most, if not all should be able to run a 14:30 5000m. From here on it's talent comes into play.
Skirocer wrote:
You think that most people have the ability to eventually run 16 and you think that he's trolling? Only on letsrun could someone hold the median in such high regard.
No, I think he's trolling because he said that about 20:00, not 16:00.
You aren't working hard enough if you inky run 14:30. With hard work, anyone can break 14.
Hold my Hot Pocket wrote:
Another Option wrote:
Love this.
The thing is, though, that working hard is something you can control. You can develop it and improve it. Being talented isn't. So say you were trying to train someone to beat the world record for 5000m - would you rather have an athlete who was insanely hard-working but not very talented, or one who was insanely talented but not very hard-working? I think the answer is obvious.
It’s not a choice. You have to have the insanely talented athlete to get there.
Like you said, hard work is controllable. The talented athlete can learn to work harder.
The untalented athlete is stuck with less talent, no shot at a world record.
Talented Moran
Talented Moran
no running? wrote:
With hard work, most, if not all should be able to run a 14:30 5000m. From here on it's talent comes into play.
Distance and sprints are pretty cruel sports in that genetics play a major role in deciding who makes out of the pack and who is doomed to be average no matter how hard they try. I was in a training group for about 15 years that had everyone from 5 hr to sub 2:30 marathoners. I remember two Div. 1 guys who trained for the marathon. Both guys were dedicated and trained their buts off. One guy could never break 2:30 despite dedicating himself and running 2-3 marathons a year for over 5 years. The other guy went out and nailed his first marathon running a 2:24. I busted my butt as a master to get down to 2:47. Another master runner joined our group and dropped a 2:45 on a day when there was a massive downpour at the beginning of the race and the last 6 miles were into whipping headwinds (I waddled it in for 2:53 at the same race). We were both equally dedicated runners and pushed each other training for the marathon. The other guy just had more talent and could push through the dismal conditions.
Appreciation?? wrote:
Plays a Kenyan on letsrun wrote:
You would be wrong.
No, you would be wrong.
Good discussion
Your current time and progression from your first attempt?
Appreciation?? wrote:Imagine if every man in the world loved distance running. You think most would fail to run 16:00 at their max potential?
I would be more inclined to believe that 16:00 5k runners are rare simply because it takes many years of hard training for most people to get there, not because most people lack the genetic ability to get there.
If every man in the world loved sprinting, do you think most will run under 11.9?
(Both 11.9 and 16 min are 640 pts in the scoring table.)
16 min is also 78.85% for 25 yr old male in the age grade. That's about 12.4 in 100m. Do you think that's achievable for most men?
Is there an optimal moment in time where you can assess the talent of a distance runner? Freshman year of hs or college or other? Is there an optimal way to assess raw distance talent? Untrained mile time trial, shorter or longer or none of the above? I've been involved in hs T&F for a long time and the first thing done is that new runners, mostly freshman, are asked to run a 1600 m time trial. A few have done some running before, but rarely anything consequential, and mostly they have not. That single time trial often sorts our who has potential to impress in hs and who does not, and it is rare we are ever surprised after that, especially by a member of the no or low talent group moving up. Of course, we are not talking elite talent, just sorting out which boys for example will break 4:30 or 2:00 some day. We have a junior who ran 8:57 this year at Arcadia. He never ran a step before freshman year and it was clear the very first time he stepped on the track he had talent. He just laced them up and ran 5 minutes right out of the gate. It seems that elite talent is revealed later. Shannon Rowbury ran in our local meets in hs and she was running 2:07-8 for 800 m, and not as fast at longer distances. Of course she was a hs star, but totally surprising she turned out to be a world class runner. Would never have guessed this.