old guy 75 wrote:
Are some of you blind? Or do you just see what you want to see? It's obvious that he did it on purpose.
Get your eyes tested.
old guy 75 wrote:
Are some of you blind? Or do you just see what you want to see? It's obvious that he did it on purpose.
Get your eyes tested.
old guy 75 wrote:
Are some of you blind? Or do you just see what you want to see? It's obvious that he did it on purpose.
Not sure if you were actually replying to me (that’s how it shows up). But I agree, I think there was bad intent. I was just giving my experience from competing in races like this and acknowledging how it could be tough (although still don’t believe it was completely accidental).
been there marathoning wrote:
Waterbottlegate wrote:
Try it yourselves oh high and mighty ones. Running in a group at 12 mph.
I have done this before (including at world championships and other major championships and marathons) and while it is harder than it looks (running fast, poor conditions, tired at 30k+) I’ve rarely had an issue (only in heavy rain and wind when bottles were being knocked over by the weather) and never as egregious as that. That being said, he was in a reasonably sized group and the water bottle seemed pretty tightly packed (normally there is more spacing).
Also, the slow motion video does at least show some attempts at closing his hand, so that’s good.
All that being said, hard to believe there wasn’t some malicious intent, considering how everyone else did fine and this is something you practice frequently leading up to a race at this level.
+1 - thank you for posting and I think I and many others, if I can speak for them, feel honored to have a world championship marathon runner post on here.
It would be fascinating to have more information from you based on marathons in general, your training and many other aspects of being a world-class runner. I am guessing you are a marathon runner in the 209 to 215 range.
Thank you.
I totally believe in Amdouni innocence.
He is misplaced when he tries to grab a bottle.
Nobody would have knocked the bottles on purpose. Nothing to gain.
Waterbottlegate wrote:
Try it yourselves oh high and mighty ones. Running in a group at 12 mph.
No one else did. "Impossible"? Yeah.
Waterbottlegate wrote:
Yes, but Amdouni was extremely fatigued and leaning across the runner behind him, so yes he did look like a drunk trying to pick up his keys.
Yes Star, you are right on the first two counts. But incompetence? How would you have fared in that situation?
He was fumbling. But not committing an act of sabotage.
The first three runners were competent. He was not.
Incompetence is not sabotage. (fatigue can cause incompetence. Like driving while you are falling asleep)
I am agreeing with you to an extent. Take it and go after someone who doesn't agree with you.
Now, I don't agree with your thread title sayin it was near impossible when you see the other runners can do it.
Will you admit that your subject line is misleading?
Erson wrote:
I totally believe in Amdouni innocence.
He is misplaced when he tries to grab a bottle.
Nobody would have knocked the bottles on purpose. Nothing to gain.
People are so quick to judge that they don't even watch the video properly. I feel like Henry Fonda in 12 angry men trying to reason with them. But another poster on the longer thread pointed this out also, so props to that poster.
Star wrote:
Waterbottlegate wrote:
Yes, but Amdouni was extremely fatigued and leaning across the runner behind him, so yes he did look like a drunk trying to pick up his keys.
Yes Star, you are right on the first two counts. But incompetence? How would you have fared in that situation?
He was fumbling. But not committing an act of sabotage.
The first three runners were competent. He was not.
Incompetence is not sabotage. (fatigue can cause incompetence. Like driving while you are falling asleep)
I am agreeing with you to an extent. Take it and go after someone who doesn't agree with you.
Now, I don't agree with your thread title sayin it was near impossible when you see the other runners can do it.
Will you admit that your subject line is misleading?
Misleading with regards to the first three, they had a clear run, but he was reaching across the runner behind.
With all of the world's genocide, murder, exploitation, rape, environmental disasters, and even an athlete that was nearly forced to return home to certain imprisonment or worse for criticizing her coaches, THIS is what a group of mostly worthless and untalented men get angry with?
I say guilty !
Like I'm convinced he's guilty of doping since that 2019 TC show from ARD.
Dog Trainer Elite wrote:
With all of the world's genocide, murder, exploitation, rape, environmental disasters, and even an athlete that was nearly forced to return home to certain imprisonment or worse for criticizing her coaches, THIS is what a group of mostly worthless and untalented men get angry with?
If that's how you see it people shouldn't even be having something as frivolous as a running race. You win the gold for Olympic high horse.
Dog Trainer Elite wrote:
With all of the world's genocide, murder, exploitation, rape, environmental disasters, and even an athlete that was nearly forced to return home to certain imprisonment or worse for criticizing her coaches, THIS is what a group of mostly worthless and untalented men get angry with?
Let me put it this way, I wouldn't like to sit in a jury for a murder trial of an innocent man with some of these posters.
Waterbottlegate wrote:
old guy 75 wrote:
Are some of you blind? Or do you just see what you want to see? It's obvious that he did it on purpose.
Get your eyes tested.
Get your IQ tested. It has to be lower than a rocks IQ.
Dog Trainer Elite wrote:
With all of the world's genocide, murder, exploitation, rape, environmental disasters, and even an athlete that was nearly forced to return home to certain imprisonment or worse for criticizing her coaches, THIS is what a group of mostly worthless and untalented men get angry with?
Welcome to Woke World
Except Eliud and two Kenyans picked their's without incident.
I would like to judge the guy but I think he just f#cked it up unintentionally. I can see how that can happen.
Dog Trainer Elite wrote:
With all of the world's genocide, murder, exploitation, rape, environmental disasters, and even an athlete that was nearly forced to return home to certain imprisonment or worse for criticizing her coaches, THIS is what a group of mostly worthless and untalented men get angry with?
So why are you here spending scarce resources on this triviality when you should be working to save the world from local rapists (although probably are one), genocide and environmental disasters?
Ghost1 wrote:
A little bit of background here, on the bottle tumbling thoner, M.Amdouni.
Amdouni grew up on the projects in Porto Vechio, Corsica, an island belonging to France in the Mediterranean Sea. The projects are basically social housing for poor and disadvantaged people large majority of them immigrants from the Maghrib that is countries like Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco. He had to fight for everything during his childhood as he was quite small. He loved soccer and on the soccer field he showed tremendous tenacious spirit but he would have to fight for every ball because he was knocked around by his peers who were often much bigger than him.
Most of his peers that he grew up with are now either unemployed and many of them are in prison, mostly for drug offenses because France takes a very hard line against drugs even “soft drugs” like marijuana and cannabis.
If you look at the background he came from it’s quite amazing that he has succeeded as much as he has. As far as we know he has no criminal record which is a badge of honor in France for people from that background. We call it « casier judiciaire vierge » which means a “white sheet of paper no criminal record” that is a feat in itself coming from the background where so many of his peers were involved in illegal acts from burglary to drug pushing.
Ghost, I'm also from France and I gotta say you're a really weird guy.
Obsessed with religion and origins.
Waterbottlegate wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
You try it too, then come back to us and only then, can you tell us if you found it "almost impossible".
Meanwhile no one from the men or women failed so badly. I dont recall ever seeing anything comparable in any marathon, ever.
But sure, "almost impossible" should be the default assumption.
I have tried it. And my pace wasn't 5 minute miling. And the weather was perfect. And I was running on my own.
And they were spaced further apart, and yet I found it awkward to grab a bottle.
What is your experience?
So many people, so quick to judge. So much holier than thou ignorance and stupidity. Oh and he's Morrocan too, so he must have done it deliberately according to your sources, right?
I don't say he did it on purpose. I keep coming back to "almost impossible", when I guess you really just meant "awkward".
Yeah -- maybe with heat and fatigue, it probably wasn't done on purpose.
But to blame it on bottles aligned in a row?
He's Moroccan/French/whatever -- most of the other runners generally found it possible at similar speeds.
Letsbereal wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
A little bit of background here, on the bottle tumbling thoner, M.Amdouni.
Amdouni grew up on the projects in Porto Vechio, Corsica, an island belonging to France in the Mediterranean Sea. The projects are basically social housing for poor and disadvantaged people large majority of them immigrants from the Maghrib that is countries like Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco. He had to fight for everything during his childhood as he was quite small. He loved soccer and on the soccer field he showed tremendous tenacious spirit but he would have to fight for every ball because he was knocked around by his peers who were often much bigger than him.
Most of his peers that he grew up with are now either unemployed and many of them are in prison, mostly for drug offenses because France takes a very hard line against drugs even “soft drugs” like marijuana and cannabis.
If you look at the background he came from it’s quite amazing that he has succeeded as much as he has. As far as we know he has no criminal record which is a badge of honor in France for people from that background. We call it « casier judiciaire vierge » which means a “white sheet of paper no criminal record” that is a feat in itself coming from the background where so many of his peers were involved in illegal acts from burglary to drug pushing.
Ghost, I'm also from France and I gotta say you're a really weird guy.
Obsessed with religion and origins.
And super low bodyfat and where people work and who knows what else?