Gymnastic experts, can someone tell me how Simon Biles made 3 major errors but yet had top score in qualifying?

Dwightarm wrote:

6403 wrote:

I also believe there is some "woke" intimidation for the judges. Biles has been universally acclaimed as the "GOAT",

and anybody that even suggests that she's not gets flamed as a racist at this point. Giving her a bad score, even after obvious mistakes, opens the judging up to heavy criticism and controversy.

No offense meant but this is just a REALLY really stupid comment by someone who clearly does not follow gymnastics.

In certain disciplines, she is worlds away from her nearest competitor. She is able to complete moves that some men find difficult. Her moves are not ranked as high in order to keep her more competitive with the others.

In running terms, she is so far ahead of everyone else, her errors can be equated to a leader in the marathon stopping to use the restroom and still continuing to win.

Shhh, don't bother Rojo and his like-minded (*tiny*-minded) 'minions' with, ya know, actual *facts* from people who actually *know* something about the subject.

It bothers them while they're busy trying to explain everything that happens in terms of what they see as 'wokeness' or 'reverse racism' or 'unreasonable hatred of white men.'

Please, just keep quiet, and leave them to their fantasies. Can you imagine what might happen to Rojo's brain if he were somehow forced to recognize that 96% of his underlying world-view is absolute horse-sh*t??

It wouldn't be pretty.

Imagine Kipchoge running a marathon at 2:02 pace against a bunch of 2:08 marathoners, but decides to walk for 1min a few times in the middle of the race. He still finished in 2:05 and beats all the 2:08 guys.

Should he not be allowed to race because he walked while they ran the whole time? Welcome to sports.

fake news alert wrote:

6403 wrote:

I also believe there is some "woke" intimidation for the judges. Biles has been universally acclaimed as the "GOAT",

and anybody that even suggests that she's not gets flamed as a racist at this point. Giving her a bad score, even after obvious mistakes, opens the judging up to heavy criticism and controversy.

At this point, she could probably fall out of the building after every routine and still win multiple golds.

Agree 100%. Biles can poop on the balance beam and the judges will still award her a gold medal. If they don't, they will be tarred and feathered as rrrrrrrrrrrracists.

The scoring system is rigged.

Actually, I think any gymnast who could pull that off should get extra points! I'd actually watch it if that were made into a "compulsory" move!

I barely know anything about gymnastics, didn't watch the competition, and I didn't look at any of the other's responses but I'm going to venture a guess that her great score in spite of her mistakes has everything to do with the level of difficulty of her routine, judge bias, or both.

6403 wrote:

I think there are a few elements to this somewhat mystifying result.

Yes, the scoring now does favor "harder" routines, but that gives a significant, built in advantage

to the better gymnasts, as they are the ones that most likely will attempt these

more technically difficult moves.

I also believe there is some "woke" intimidation for the judges. Biles has been universally acclaimed as the "GOAT",

and anybody that even suggests that she's not gets flamed as a racist at this point. Giving her a bad score, even after obvious mistakes, opens the judging up to heavy criticism and controversy.

Sheesh. Some people see 'the woke' around every corner. Must be scary!

Favorites have always gotten the calls in gymnastics, as have athletes from the larger federations. This is business as usual and nothing to do with 'woke.'

What do you mean by first? Head, legs, toes, shoulder, nipple, hand or what?

Tank AyeRon wrote:

No idea!

I like non-subjective competition. For example: first one to the finish line wins.

always need to dumb it down wrote:

Imagine Kipchoge running a marathon at 2:02 pace against a bunch of 2:08 marathoners, but decides to walk for 1min a few times in the middle of the race. He still finished in 2:05 and beats all the 2:08 guys.

Should he not be allowed to race because he walked while they ran the whole time? Welcome to sports.

Perfect analogy.

Her moves are actually ranked LOWER in difficulty than they should be - she is essentially penalized for performing skills other gymnasts can't pull off. However she is still so far ahead of everyone else that she is able to make a couple of errors and still win. THAT is how great of an athlete she is.

I don't think some of you understand how much better Simone Biles is than everyone else. If her skillset were graded fairly, she would be even further ahead than her competitors.

Was the crowd diverse?

"I don't think some of you understand how much better Simone Biles is than everyone else. If her skillset were graded fairly, she would be even further ahead than her competitors."

How is her "skillset" not graded "fairly"? They account for degree of difficulty, so what else are the supposed to do, just hand over the gold medal when she enters the arena?

Nadia Comaneci hardly ever even had a "bobble" in her routines, and Biles had three major screwups just in the preliminaries. But even suggest that Comaneci or some of the other all time greats are just as good, and watch heads explode all over the woke world.

6403 wrote:

"I don't think some of you understand how much better Simone Biles is than everyone else. If her skillset were graded fairly, she would be even further ahead than her competitors."

How is her "skillset" not graded "fairly"? They account for degree of difficulty, so what else are the supposed to do, just hand over the gold medal when she enters the arena?

Nadia Comaneci hardly ever even had a "bobble" in her routines, and Biles had three major screwups just in the preliminaries. But even suggest that Comaneci or some of the other all time greats are just as good, and watch heads explode all over the woke world.

Like what?

It’s like claiming Zatopek is better than Kipchoge because he was more dominant in his ear.

6403 wrote:

"I don't think some of you understand how much better Simone Biles is than everyone else. If her skillset were graded fairly, she would be even further ahead than her competitors."

How is her "skillset" not graded "fairly"? They account for degree of difficulty, so what else are the supposed to do, just hand over the gold medal when she enters the arena?

Nadia Comaneci hardly ever even had a "bobble" in her routines, and Biles had three major screwups just in the preliminaries. But even suggest that Comaneci or some of the other all time greats are just as good, and watch heads explode all over the woke world.

I think the point is she does things noone else even tries and gets maybe an extra 0.1 pt on her D score for these things. If she bobbles doing them she can be penalized that or more. But that is the drawback when the outcome is based on a judge's scoring vs who crosses the finish line first.

Who is Simon Biles?

6403 wrote:

Nadia Comaneci hardly ever even had a "bobble" in her routines, and Biles had three major screwups just in the preliminaries. But even suggest that Comaneci or some of the other all time greats are just as good, and watch heads explode all over the woke world.

LOLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tell me you don't understand gymnastics without telling me you don't understand gymnastics

6403 wrote:

Yes, the scoring now does favor "harder" routines, but that gives a significant, built in advantage

to the better gymnasts, as they are the ones that most likely will attempt these

more technically difficult moves.

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The better gymnasts should have an advantage, right?

Imagine one gymnast walks across the floor, does one hop landing perfectly and throws her arms up.

Then the next one runs and does a double forward flip, sticks that and then does a back flip but lands on her knees.

Who should get the better score?

+1

She’s probably the greatest athlete on earth right now, and maybe ever. She’s doing vaults, and routines on the beam and floor that other women may not attempt for a decade or more. That’s why when she hops on a landing or steps sideways, she still can crush her competition.

This will be the last time I respond to you as I cannot see if you are genuinely interested or merely feigning ignorance in order to effectively 'troll' us.

If you are genuinely interested in learning more, here is some reading for you to understand how her skills are not graded accurately:

You are comparing two different judging systems that are almost 50 years apart. In the '60s and '70s, judging was mostly based on perfect technique; routines were quite similar and a difficult routine was judged essentially the same as a mediocre one. In later years (as has been explained to you ad nauseam) difficulty/innovation/athleticism was factored in along with technique.

Could Simone Biles have been competitive in the '60s and '70s? Perhaps, as she actually has extremely good technique and precision when she isn't pushing the limits of gymnastics.

Could Nadia Comaneci have performed a Yurchenko double pike? No. Absolutely not. Few men can perform it and no other woman has ever even attempted it in competition.

And since you seem so interested in understanding why she is above and beyond 'the other greats' before her, here is another link that may help you understand how much more more difficult Biles' performances are.

"Her 2018 routine on vault and her 2019 routine on floor exercise are the most difficult ever performed in women's artistic gymnastics. As of 2019, she is the sole gymnast to have competed four skills valued at H or higher in the 2017–2021 Code of Points on floor exercise."

"Biles's named elements on vault, balance beam, and floor exercise introduced during the 2017–2021 quad are the most difficult elements on each apparatus (the Biles on beam, Biles on vault, and Biles II on floor). As of 2019, she is the sole gymnast to have performed any of these skills in an FIG international competition. In May 2021, she became the first woman to complete a Yurchenko double piked on the vault during competition"

If you are yearning for the era of the '70s, when gymnastics was about 'grace', may I suggest you turn your focus over to ballet.

If you appreciate athleticism and the pushing of boundaries of human limits, then this would be by far the most exciting era in gymnastics we've seen yet.

How is her "skillset" not graded "fairly"? They account for degree of difficulty, so what else are the supposed to do, just hand over the gold medal when she enters the arena?

One example Yurchenko single pike two complete flips during the vault is max value of 6.000

Simone does something that’s called a Yurchenko double pike, which is misleading because she’s actually doing three complete flips during the vault, but still her max score is still only 6.000. Biles is not getting credit for her extra flip