Passing Bikers While Running

thefirstme wrote:

you passed about the equivalent of 20-25min 5k runners. big deal. Thats like a biker bragging on their forum how they beat "real" runners at the end of a duathlon or something. Unless the hill was nearly straight up I am pretty sure you have no chance at all beating me if im on my bike. Ive done 3000ft mountain climbs several times and never have averaged under 20k going up (training, not racing too). Under no circumstance would I believe youre running 5 min pace either up hill or at the end of 15 miles or else you wouldnt call yourself "punk kid"

Dean Morality would pass your A S S is you were only going 20k/h and he were running 5 min mile pace.

i hate bikers.

Damn right, son. That's how I roll.

As both a semi-serious cyclist (1:00 40K TT, Cat 4) and semi -serious runner (15:30s 5K), I can tell you that there is a break even point where cycling is neither faster nor slower than running (probaly at around a 10% grade). Flatter than that it faster to cycle, steeper and its faster to run. Not sure of the physics behind this, but its the truth.

Funny thing about many bikers, they don't seem to realize that bikers are to runners what cars are to bikers - they exhibit the same behavior they so bitterly complain about when they are the potential victims.

>>I know many bikers, and they all have a chip on their shoulder about cars and they think that everyone is out to get them. Not true. It's just that the world is filled with crappy drivers that don't know any better. I would never dream of traveling IN the road when I'm not on a car or motorcycle>>

I could see there being some point where the bike weight and mechanics start becoming a disadvantage. Have you found it to be at 10%? I don't think I have ever tried to ride up a grade that steep before. I have done some MTN's in VT but none were of that grade. All of them I was thinking, this would be a tough 7 mile run and was happy to have the bike. I wonder if anyone has done a study on it?

conversion wrote:

Dean Morality would pass your A S S is you were only going 20k/h and he were running 5 min mile pace.

By your title "conversion" I take it that you think you're smart by calculating that 20k/h is = 5 min/1600m therefore slightly slower than 5:00/ mile. Re-read the post (mine) that you replied to. It says "never under 20k" meaning 'always faster.' You must not be very good at word problems. Actually you're not good with words at all. "He were running 5 min mile..." Also, "is" and "if" are not interchangable, no matter what your pseudo-mathmatician-self thinks.

Dean Morality: I'm sorry you're offended by the fact that people can ride a bike faster than you can run. My post is in no way bragging about how fast I can ride a bike. The figure I used, as oppsed to exact and real speeds, was just to prove a point. I say over 20k as I am very sure you are not running this fast, especially up hill for a long time. This figure is a very reasonable speed to be going up very long and steep hills on a bike as well. I hope you can connect these two ideas.

I challenge you to ever find any statement by me citing any numerical results of any workout or race or anywhere that I say, "I could beat you" or "I am so fast that..." like so many others feel they need to do. I highly doubt you could such words from me as I do not think it proper to shoot out numbers in such a way. The same apples with any scores be it SAT, IQ, PRs, or girls you've been with. I know them, a few others who need know them do also, and that's it.

I'm not even a cyclist unless I am also a race walker because I walk to class everyday, and a racecar driver because I drive on highways. I'm a runner by title, the others by hobby.

If anything your original post is nothing but you bragging that you were going what you think is fast and that you 'flew' by some people on bikes. I'm sorry that you are insecure enough about yourself that you must come here and post such.

I was out in the countryside running back in June with a few friends, one of whome was pushing his baby buggy with his 4 year old. We saw a Mountain Biker ahead, put our feet down and went past him laughing our heads off.

Silly twat chased us over the top of the hill and came flying past on the otherside, laughing his head off. But not for long as he stacked it 100 metres later and was still on his arse winded as we came back past him.

Can still see his face like it was yesterday!

That's quite true.

I am always embarrased when I run with groups and some nimrod sees a dog fifty yards off the path taking a dump and screams to its owner, "Get that effing dog on a leash!!! It better not come after me!!!". There's also the idiot who cuts across four lanes of traffic in the middle of the block and then flips off the first driver that honks at him for jayrunning. I also really enjoy the guy who blasts through crosswalks against the light and then pounds on the trunks of cars that cut in front of him while turning right. Nevermind that the driver had the right-of-way.

Runners are just like cyclists. There are always a few angry militant jerks who taint the rest of us with their asinine behavior.

when i'm runnin' trails in the middlesex fells near boston i ALWAYS am faster than the mountain bikers. always. and the grades ain't no 10 percent. runners are more fit than bikers at the same level. believe it. not good or bad, just fact.

I run 80 mpw and bike for an occasional 30 minutes once a month or so. Just for kicks, I went on my bike and timed myself going up a fairly steep hill that I normally do my hill repeats on. It normally takes me 2:30 to run up (going almost all out) and I could bike up it in 2:00 without putting a whole lot of effort into it.

So I don't believe for a second that a generalization of "its harder to bike uphill than run" is true.

I was once a young punk capable of the same thing. Enjoy it but don't get too cocky. I recently experienced somebody cruising past me with a back pack, ipod, and with keys and change in their pockets....it could happen to you!!!

I am with the runners with this one...I like to run past bikers going up a hill, but you're sample is wrong. It is way too short.

Start with a 1 to 2 mile hill and compare the times. I am decent on uphills with a bike. I don't even get off the big ring. On a fairly steep grade, biking up a hill IS pretty damn difficult. In a particular steep 1 mile hill, I am only 15 seconds slower on the run.

The bike really tests my lung capacity as I'm breathing hard.

The run seems to test my legs more.

I love passing bike riders on trails. I will sometimes run trails with guys from church while they ride their bikes. If the trail is easy then they smoke me, but if it starts getting technical I can blow by the them. It feels pretty good to be putting distance on bike riders.

Post again when you pass going downhill.

On a technical course with hairpin turns, exposed roots, or other obstacles, you sometimes can run down mountain bikers on the downhill. It would be foolish sometimes for bikers to go any faster...

BIKIN' IS NOT AS TOUGH AS RUNNIN'IN THAT THE BIKE SUPPORTS PART OF YOUR WEIGHT.

Isaac wrote:

[quote]no pride wrote:

cycling up a hill IS much harder then running the same hill.quote]

Since when? When I am running up a steep hill I often wish I had my bike. Maybe if I was riding some single speed 40 lb monster I would rather run. The mechanical advantage of a bike if using the proper gear and cadence makes hills smooth and fast.

If you can pass someone on a bike while running on a downhill that cyclist needs to get his hands off the brakes or is in desperate need of a tune up.

for one thing, they are pushing additional weight (the bike) up the hill. That adds to the difficulty.

The Hurting Truth wrote:

Runners are just like cyclists. There are always a few angry militant jerks who taint the rest of us with their asinine behavior.

Exactly. You don't notice all the people who are behaving correctly, because if you're doing the right thing, you shouldn't be a nuisance to other runners or cyclists. Just yesterday, I was on a running trail where cyclists are supposed to be <15 mph and everyone is supposed to stay to the right unless passing. A lot of cyclists went past us correctly and I can't remember any of them, but I do remember the asshat who was going too fast on the wrong side of the path around a blind corner and hit my friend headon. One person like that can give a bad name to a whole group.