They want this story to go away, so they don't continue to look ridiculously out of date with reality.
I have zero doubt they'll try to keep Sha'Carri out of Worlds next year, too.
They want this story to go away, so they don't continue to look ridiculously out of date with reality.
I have zero doubt they'll try to keep Sha'Carri out of Worlds next year, too.
ggilder wrote:
Shocked I tell you again wrote:
Except that it was Sha'carri's -behavior- that conceded Gold, no one else. every athlete was aware of the rules. It's a personal tragedy. Sad, but justly applied.
Except that cannabis is not a PED and it has been effectively legalized in most of the U.S.
WADA has enough trouble fairly enforcing rules against actual PEDs. Every case is contentious, but the action against Sha'carri was perverse overreach.
There is no overreach at all, its on the banned list, they enforced the rule, she admitted to it.
runnerexpert wrote:
There is no overreach at all, its on the banned list, they enforced the rule, she admitted to it.
She admitted to it right away. Makes me wonder if she planned on getting caught all along.
To have a chance to medal they need Sha'Carri.
Harold #1 wrote:
To have a chance to medal they need Sha'Carri.
FALSE.
Prandini - Daniels - Thomas - Oliver would be a LOCK for silver with decent handoffs.
The US 4X100 has a long history of dropping the baton or otherwise mishandling exchanges in the Olympics even when they do practice together.
(US men- dropped stick in 88 prelims, bad exchanges in 96, bad exchanges in 04 causing the men to lose to GB by 0.01 s, dropped the stick in 08, drug DQ in 12, DQ by bad exchange in 16
So, they can still mess this up.
Might as well put her in the pool to have the option available.
Sometimes they still put in people in last minute anyway when someone gets hurt.
The relay pool is 6 people.
Having 5 people practice together with Richardson available in a pinch would make perfect sense.
They may be better off not practicing.
The "marijuana" positive was part of a backdoor deal reached for a positive PED test. Part of the deal was not being allowed to compete at olympics. Who knows what the remaining stipulations are. I knew as soon as she was "eligible" for the relay that she would find an excuse not to run.
aztec the moronic wrote:
Harold #1 wrote:
To have a chance to medal they need Sha'Carri.
FALSE.
Prandini - Daniels - Thomas - Oliver would be a LOCK for silver with decent handoffs.
That lineup is a lock for bronze.
MatthewXCountry wrote:
While Sha'Carri is suspended, she is not allowed to practice with her Olympic teammates. The US team does a lot of hand-off practice between now and when Sha'Carri would be eligible to return. I'm guessing USATF does not want to risk a dropped baton on an exchange between Sha'Carri and another athlete, due to lack of practice. I believe USATF would have selected her for the relay pool if she were allowed to practice with her teammates. What do you think about this theory?
The team actually practice? Wouldn't like to see what they would do if they didn't.
Well without Sha'carri we are now a lock for the bronze.
MatthewXCountry wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
Possible, but she’s 3 whole 10ths faster than whoever else the relay will have. That’s worth more than a good handoff.
Maybe, but the USA would finish top 2 no matter who they select (and still can probably win with any reasonable team also), a dropped baton = going home with nothing, despite the 2-3 tenth improvement over the USA's fourth-best.
Wrong. Without Sha'carri the US is a lock for bronze behind, Jamaica and the UK.
Because she is black?
STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:
The "marijuana" positive was part of a backdoor deal reached for a positive PED test. Part of the deal was not being allowed to compete at olympics. Who knows what the remaining stipulations are. I knew as soon as she was "eligible" for the relay that she would find an excuse not to run.
I agree, like the old cocaine positive test 30 years ago.
Sha' Carri will not look like the villain here and she has a year to "clean" up her act. Those who are naive will feel sorry for her, treat her like a victim and hopefully next year get excited about track and field when she returns.
I think the head coaches just decided to stick with the discretionary picks they made before news of the bust surfaced. As long as the two coaches are of the same mind, there is nothing USATF "leadership" can do about it (I think some combination of athlete and high performance representatives can resolve disagreement among coaches). The outcome reflects the coaches' decision. The idiotic and mawkish Alan Abrahamson article posted on LR basically says that Max Siegel and Renee Washington were committed to letting her run on the basis of "compassion and context" or whatever BS that guy was troweling out on the USATF PR dime. USATF - whatever and whoever that is on this issue, kept her out of the pool. Signals dissention among Max/Renee and the coaches.
Nobody has addressed the question of whether it was even an option under IOC/USOPC/WA rules to put a currently banned athlete on an Oly roster during the period of the suspension on the basis that the person would be eligibly by the date of competition. If that was not an option, you'd think they'd say it. What's odd is that there is a "leadership group" at USATF who is paid close $3 million/year to know that answer. I think they were caught off guard by all this and were in reaction mode the entire time.
Woke AF wrote:
Because she is black?
Hope you’re joking
With Sha'Carri they would contend for a medal. Without her all bets are off.
If referring to 2019 IAAF Champs, after bungling the hand off, China was DQ'd. Classic and Cringe-worthy... on the track blooper reel forever.
CopperRunner wrote:
Remember the botched China handoff that cost the team about 15 seconds?
Yeah
Harold #1 wrote:
With Sha'Carri they would contend for a medal. Without her all bets are off.
Without Richardson, USA still has 10 out of the top 20 performers on the world list this year. Jamaica has 6 (but 4 out of the top 6). Richardson literally would not make a difference because Jamaica would crush USA with her, and we will crush the 3rd place team even without her.
USADA's statements meant to explain reasoning in their allocation of discretionary spots is brief and vague. Not sure about the no-practice theory, but definitely some backroom shenanigans afoot. Another thread mentioned squabbling about leg assignment. Hard to believe Richardson would choose to miss an Olympics for that. Another guess - someone is worried about another testing failure in competition - and in relay, you take your teammates down with you.
MatthewXCountry wrote:
While Sha'Carri is suspended, she is not allowed to practice with her Olympic teammates. The US team does a lot of hand-off practice between now and when Sha'Carri would be eligible to return. I'm guessing USATF does not want to risk a dropped baton on an exchange between Sha'Carri and another athlete, due to lack of practice. I believe USATF would have selected her for the relay pool if she were allowed to practice with her teammates. What do you think about this theory?
I don't know the reason the coaches are keeping Sha'Carri out of the relay. But I can tell you, if I was a coach and one of my runners screwed up, broke the rules (stupid rule or not, doesn't matter) and got banned, I'd be pretty pissed off. Also, if I was the runner who replaced her during her ban, because I didn't break the rule (stupid rule or not) I'd be pretty pissed off if she waltzed back in the first day off her ban and bumped me back to the bench after I covered for her the entire past month, while not getting high, to boot.
I seems there should be some consequences for bad decisions and breaking a very well known rule (stupid rule or not) that could only hurt you and your team, and not help anyone's performance.
All she had to do was not get stoned the month before the Olympics. Is it that hard? Her teammates managed not to keep their urine clean. It doesn't seem to me they should be punished for that.
You left out the fact that the relay coach for many of these bungles was drug cheat, and Richardson's coach, Dennis Mitchell
Star wrote:
The US 4X100 has a long history of dropping the baton or otherwise mishandling exchanges in the Olympics even when they do practice together.
(US men- dropped stick in 88 prelims, bad exchanges in 96, bad exchanges in 04 causing the men to lose to GB by 0.01 s, dropped the stick in 08, drug DQ in 12, DQ by bad exchange in 16
So, they can still mess this up.
Might as well put her in the pool to have the option available.
Sometimes they still put in people in last minute anyway when someone gets hurt.
The relay pool is 6 people.
Having 5 people practice together with Richardson available in a pinch would make perfect sense.
They may be better off not practicing.