THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Your recollection is false. After her ban was announced, she immediately said she would produce evidence that one of the missed tests was invalid.
Isn't that what I said? The question remains why she didn't submit the evidence (and which evidence, exactly) before AIU decided on the ban.
The 3rd whereabouts was clearly a mistake on the testers part and was tossed out, but she clearly did miss 3. It is not uncommon at all for athletes to have a missed whereabouts in a year. The AIU has even knowledge the weaknesses in the whereabouts process., which is why you 3 of them and are allowed to explain/prove you missed for legitimate reason. Obviously a second missed test is rarer and problematic and a 3rd one is difficult to excuse.
TrackCoach wrote:
The 3rd whereabouts was clearly a mistake on the testers part
Where does it say that, please? Yes I know it was tossed out, but why?
I cannot locate the AIU decision, only news reports such as this one here:
https://theworldsportstoday.com/sprinter-thomas-cleared-by-aiu-in-whereabouts-failure-case/But according to the AIU’s Twitter account, Thomas provided new evidence in June and as a result one of the missed tests cannot be established and so no anti-doping rule violation has been committed.
Timeline:
1) 3 missed tests of unknown dates
2) back and forth between AIU and athlete, also unknown dates
3) provisional ban announced May 2, 2020
4) athlete cleared based on "new evidence" July 4, 2020
TrackCoach wrote:
The 3rd whereabouts was clearly a mistake on the testers part
FAKE NEWS. The tester was at her house, at the correct time during the predetermined testing window. Thomas could not be found.
I personally know pro athletes that sit on their porch during their testing window to look for testers. There are no accidental missed tests, only deliberate missed tests. PERIOD.
I told y'all the Brits were dirty! Don't know why they weren't kicked out of athletics year ago. Oh I remember - it's because of your Lord COeVERUP! We should have let let Uncle Fritz finish them off at the Battle of Hastings. Next time, keep the Navy Seals home. Cheating our clean athletes like Shelby, Coleman, Deajah, Brianna out of medals. Tainted Mexican burrito my big Texan butt! What excuse will COeVERUP come out with next!
fake news alert wrote:
It's BS that she was cleared. She should be serving a ban right now.
+100
84u38 wrote:
"Thomas had been banned in May by the AIU for allegedly missing three tests in a 12-month period, a violation of anti-doping rules."
Yes she was cleared, but a Harvard graduate should be able to follow the rules.
Did NBC bother to mention theses facts during the OT? Heck no!
fake news alert wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
The 3rd whereabouts was clearly a mistake on the testers part
FAKE NEWS. The tester was at her house, at the correct time during the predetermined testing window. Thomas could not be found.
I personally know pro athletes that sit on their porch during their testing window to look for testers. There are no accidental missed tests, only deliberate missed tests. PERIOD.
You are absolutely wrong!
Data from 3 years ago showed nearly half of the top tier athletes had missed at least 1 test. Also, some of USA's most successful athletes admitted to missing a test.
How the hell are you going to miss a test one day, get test the next day and the test in negative?
TrackCoach wrote:
fake news alert wrote:
FAKE NEWS. The tester was at her house, at the correct time during the predetermined testing window. Thomas could not be found.
I personally know pro athletes that sit on their porch during their testing window to look for testers. There are no accidental missed tests, only deliberate missed tests. PERIOD.
You are absolutely wrong!
Data from 3 years ago showed nearly half of the top tier athletes had missed at least 1 test. Also, some of USA's most successful athletes admitted to missing a test.
BECAUSE THEY WERE DOPING AND DIDN'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT
You can dope with impunity for months, then just skip a test so you never test positive. Once you have a missed test, you stop doping so you don't have to miss any more.
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Real track fans don’t care about whereabouts failures or even if you doped.
Did she beat everyone else at USAs? YES!
Crossing the line first is all that matters in this sport.
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Lenny Leonard wrote:
Crossing the line first is all that matters in this sport.
Not to me. The Shelby story, but especially USATF trying to slide her into trials even while banned has really jaded me. I no longer believe anyone is clean and that the US is just another state sponsor of doping. I'll still run, but almost don't give a crap about pro running at this point. Like the rest of the world, I guess.
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byron evans wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Crossing the line first is all that matters in this sport.
Not to me. The Shelby story, but especially USATF trying to slide her into trials even while banned has really jaded me. I no longer believe anyone is clean and that the US is just another state sponsor of doping. I'll still run, but almost don't give a crap about pro running at this point. Like the rest of the world, I guess.
One of the big reasons the world doesn’t care about pro running is our pre-occupation with “cheating” and “fairness.” In popular sports, like football, basketball, and soccer, everyone “cheats” (takes supplements to become more athletic and recover from hard workouts) and fans don’t care.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
That is indeed an interesting story.
In my recollection: after getting informed by AIU about the three missed tests, she couldn't provide any evidence to the contrary, so she got indeed banned in May.
Then in June she submitted new evidence after all and indeed got cleared (one missed test taken off the record).
That much is clear. As far as I know, the following is still unclear:
1) Why didn't she submit her evidence when prompted for it?
2) Which kind of evidence did she submit?
2a) She claimed phone data and witnesses.
2b) AIU said only "new evidence".
Did AIU ever publish the details of this case?
Your recollection is false. After her ban was announced, she immediately said she would produce evidence that one of the missed tests was invalid. In quick order she did, and the AIU admitted the tester screwed up and lifted the ban. She missed two tests which isn't ideal, but if she never has this problem the rest of her career I don't see why it makes sense to act like it's some glaring red flag.
Hang on.
"She missed two tests which isn't ideal". Not ideal? It's completely sus. Where is the explanation for them?
fake news alert wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
The 3rd whereabouts was clearly a mistake on the testers part
FAKE NEWS. The tester was at her house, at the correct time during the predetermined testing window. Thomas could not be found.
I personally know pro athletes that sit on their porch during their testing window to look for testers. There are no accidental missed tests, only deliberate missed tests. PERIOD.
My understanding is you have to nominate a 1 hour period and where you'll be. So you nominate home at say 5-6am, easy. You'll be sleeping and waking up soon, unless travelling to a comp.
If you're not there, you should be required to answer your phone.
fake news alert wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
You are absolutely wrong!
Data from 3 years ago showed nearly half of the top tier athletes had missed at least 1 test. Also, some of USA's most successful athletes admitted to missing a test.
BECAUSE THEY WERE DOPING AND DIDN'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT
You can dope with impunity for months, then just skip a test so you never test positive. Once you have a missed test, you stop doping so you don't have to miss any more.
Yes there does seem some logic in this. So the testers should come back for 3 successive days. Miss one day, you notify them that day and come back again the following day.
I think it's inexcusable.