I posted about this yesterday but if you watch the video it is clearly Green who is at fault. Hurta had moved to the inside and was there when Green cuts in on her and doesn't have enough room to do so leading Hurta to go down.
Having to finish the race is a ridiculous rule considering Hurta broke her wrist, no chance that Green should have advanced and instead should be DQed
bridgetown wrote:
I posted about this yesterday but if you watch the video it is clearly Green who is at fault. Hurta had moved to the inside and was there when Green cuts in on her and doesn't have enough room to do so leading Hurta to go down.
Having to finish the race is a ridiculous rule considering Hurta broke her wrist, no chance that Green should have advanced and instead should be DQed
Do you have a drivers licence? Who is at fault when someone behind you rams into you?
How is Green supposed to smell how far behind her is Hurta? It was 100% Hurtas fault for getting to close and also it was a stupid choice to stay on the rail coming into the finishing straight.
If you’re behind someone, it’s just common sense that you take a big risk by trying to sneak past them on the inside. More than once I’ve had people take me out in races doing what Hurta did and kicking my legs out by getting too close when they’re behind. She didn’t have room and ran up into Green’s legs and caused the collision. Luckily for Green she didn’t fall either. Hurta was clearly at fault. Unfortunate that she was injured.
Watching it again and again I cannot "fault" either runner. The "car" analogy does not fit running. Sorry that Hurta fell. Frankly neither runner was likely to make the final
I am 100% sure it's not clear whose fault it was. I definitely saw green shut down one, but if you're in the trailing runner you kind of have to be ready for that in that particular position they were in. She just barely clipped her. Just a bad coincidence I think but we always want it to be 100% somebody's fault.
Sopa de Sabadell wrote:
bridgetown wrote:
I posted about this yesterday but if you watch the video it is clearly Green who is at fault. Hurta had moved to the inside and was there when Green cuts in on her and doesn't have enough room to do so leading Hurta to go down.
Having to finish the race is a ridiculous rule considering Hurta broke her wrist, no chance that Green should have advanced and instead should be DQed
Do you have a drivers licence? Who is at fault when someone behind you rams into you?
How is Green supposed to smell how far behind her is Hurta? It was 100% Hurtas fault for getting to close and also it was a stupid choice to stay on the rail coming into the finishing straight.
Who is at fault if someone changes lanes without looking? Bad analogy.
It's clear in that video that Hurta touched Green in the middle of her back to let her know she was there. Unfortunately, she may have waited a second too late to do that. I think Hurta would have passed Green if she had not fallen.
I'd be interested if Hurta says there was any additional contact between the two before the trip. It's not clear in the video, but their arms may have brushed once or twice before Hurta put her hand on Green's back.
u know nothing jon snow wrote:
My college coach would always say the easiest way to make it into the finals at Olympic Trials was to get tripped - but you have to finish. Hurta needed to just get up and shuffle across the line and she’d be in the final.
You ran for Vin.
People blaming Green come on. She got rear-ended. Since she missed qualifying by a tenth of a second I’m not surprised the protest worked. I don’t think either would’ve been a factor in a final that is going to require 1:59-low to qualify if not faster.
Hurta broke her wrist
WTF is wrong with everyone blaming Green? Are all of you her college teammates?
Green was running in a straight line. Hurta clipped her. Extremely obvious, Green did nothing wrong. If Hurta got up and finished the race, she would have been DQ'd for impeding.
Green wasn't running in a straight line... that is the whole problem. They were both running lane 1/2 and Hurta moved to the inside and was moving there when Green veered into lane 1 and impeded her.
On the homestretch you don't slam on the brakes and stop because someone else cuts you off otherwise in any prelim you just would have the lead before the homestretch or at any time and swerve back and forth waiting for someone to get tripped up so you advance.
Again I just don't see how the runner who is cut off and doesn't do anything wrong isn't advanced but the runner that cut them off and caused the issue is
vanjr wrote:
Watching it again and again I cannot "fault" either runner. The "car" analogy does not fit running. Sorry that Hurta fell. Frankly neither runner was likely to make the final
Green was .11 off getting the small q. I think there was a reasonable case that she would have had a shot at that last spot.
bridgetown wrote:
Green wasn't running in a straight line... that is the whole problem. They were both running lane 1/2 and Hurta moved to the inside and was moving there when Green veered into lane 1 and impeded her.
On the homestretch you don't slam on the brakes and stop because someone else cuts you off otherwise in any prelim you just would have the lead before the homestretch or at any time and swerve back and forth waiting for someone to get tripped up so you advance.
Again I just don't see how the runner who is cut off and doesn't do anything wrong isn't advanced but the runner that cut them off and caused the issue is
You need glasses. Green has stayed on the right side of the first lane and hasn't budged. Hurta maybe wanted to sneak past Green on the rail, but the risk didn't pay off.
Green has not made a step into 2nd lane, buddy.
What the what ? wrote:
Green caused Hurta to fall no doubt ! She should apologise at the very least.
Hurta is going to Tokyo with her boyfriend though and that cast :(
Who is her bf?
Sopa de SabadelI wrote:
bridgetown wrote:
Green wasn't running in a straight line... that is the whole problem. They were both running lane 1/2 and Hurta moved to the inside and was moving there when Green veered into lane 1 and impeded her.
On the homestretch you don't slam on the brakes and stop because someone else cuts you off otherwise in any prelim you just would have the lead before the homestretch or at any time and swerve back and forth waiting for someone to get tripped up so you advance.
Again I just don't see how the runner who is cut off and doesn't do anything wrong isn't advanced but the runner that cut them off and caused the issue is
You need glasses. Green has stayed on the right side of the first lane and hasn't budged. Hurta maybe wanted to sneak past Green on the rail, but the risk didn't pay off.
Green has not made a step into 2nd lane, buddy.
Watch the NBC sports video on youtube from 2:27-2:30 you can see Green in lane 2 and around 2:33 she starts to cut in on Hurta who is already on the inside of 1
bridgetown wrote:
Sopa de SabadelI wrote:
You need glasses. Green has stayed on the right side of the first lane and hasn't budged. Hurta maybe wanted to sneak past Green on the rail, but the risk didn't pay off.
Green has not made a step into 2nd lane, buddy.
Watch the NBC sports video on youtube from 2:27-2:30 you can see Green in lane 2 and around 2:33 she starts to cut in on Hurta who is already on the inside of 1
Hurta tried to move outside and tripped over Green. This was pretty clear.
Green is not at fault and the protest committee decision agreed she was impeded and advanced her.
All arguments that Green is at fault are moot.
I’m Hurta fan.
I don't have that much confidence in the officials and their rulings, seeing as they tend to advance anybody who complains.
With that said... you can argue Green isn't at fault while also saying she shouldn't be advanced. Incidental contact is going to happen between runners, and you can't (or at least you shouldn't) advance everyone who has the misfortune of bumping into another runner during a race unless it happens because one runner makes an especially egregious and/or irresponsible move (a la Rodriguez in the 2009 WC 1500). I think people are getting fooled by the spectacular nature of Hurta's fall. If you look at the contact between the two runners, it is limited to Hurta touching Green in the back to warn Green she was beside her, then a second later Green's left foot making contact with Hurta's right knee. That was it. It's amazing, but as off balance as she was, Hurta never stepped on or otherwise touched Green once she started to fall. They both made risky moves simultaneously at the end of the race - one trying to pass on the inside and one moving to the rail just before the final straightaway - and unfortunately they both tripped, one badly.
The responsibility is on the person in the back, just like it is when driving.