To All Those Screaming, "It's the Shoes"

Um, 29:06, shoes FTW.

brooks least wrote:

Um, 29:06, shoes FTW.

Yeah, it must have been the piece of foam under her feet and not the metronomic futuristic lights that keep even pace for 10km.

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brooks least wrote:

Um, 29:06, shoes FTW.

Yeah, it must have been the piece of foam under her feet and not the metronomic futuristic lights that keep even pace for 10km.

Well, you need something to help keep up with the lights, why not a carbon fiber plate propelling you forward, waste a heck of a lot less energy with that, will certainly need that energy 20 minutes in.

next thing you know, someone will run a marathon in under two hours.

brooks least wrote:

` wrote:

Yeah, it must have been the piece of foam under her feet and not the metronomic futuristic lights that keep even pace for 10km.

Well, you need something to help keep up with the lights, why not a carbon fiber plate propelling you forward, waste a heck of a lot less energy with that, will certainly need that energy 20 minutes in.

Carbon fiber plates were in the vic elites, nobody complained about those. The dragonfly doesn't even have a carbon fiber plate.

There's a reason why fresh pacers are not allowed to hop into a race halfway in. The wavelights are a disgrace.

New drugs...or maybe new masking agents...

Anyone notice the acne all over Clayton Murphy's back, and the bulging deltoids?

Looks suspicious.

flvmmox wrote:

nike's marketing dept working overtime astroturfing the boards

Why would they diminish the impact of the shoes, if they wanna sell more shoes? dummy.

brooks least wrote:

Um, 29:06, shoes FTW.

What you take has more effect than what you wear.

Dragonflies have a normal plate and a great foam. They are great spikes but it's really people who have been able to train better as a result of the unique circumstances around Covid.

Rojo can try harder to get click-baits.... although his silly take on Hobbs did manage to get mine.... SMH

Having raced in the dragon fly, I did not find it to be this amazing shoe that propels you forward. What I did get out of it was a shoe that raced like a track spike but had the cushioning of a racing flat. Still not sold that the shoes are responsible for the times. They might be part of it but much smaller then being made out to be. Fastest 10k time run this year was not in the so called "super spikes", how do you explain this? The dragonfly did allow me to recover from my 5ks like I was 20yrs old again. The real advantage of the spikes might be that they are allowing athletes to recover faster, which may very well be why other athletes want to use them. Faster recover, more hard efforts which in turn leads to faster times.

Not Registered432 wrote:

Having raced in the dragon fly, I did not find it to be this amazing shoe that propels you forward. What I did get out of it was a shoe that raced like a track spike but had the cushioning of a racing flat. Still not sold that the shoes are responsible for the times. They might be part of it but much smaller then being made out to be. Fastest 10k time run this year was not in the so called "super spikes", how do you explain this? The dragonfly did allow me to recover from my 5ks like I was 20yrs old again. The real advantage of the spikes might be that they are allowing athletes to recover faster, which may very well be why other athletes want to use them. Faster recover, more hard efforts which in turn leads to faster times.

It’s both. Saves more energy during a race, to the tune of 2-3 sec per mile (not the 7 seconds being put forth previously), and also allows harder, more consistent training with better recovery. There is a reason other shoe companies want their athletes in the competitor’s trampoline shoes. It is a disadvantage now not to have them, which is really a shame.

1. It being an Olympic year doesn't hold much weight. The importance is there as maybe a once in a lifetime chance, but aren't all years important? The better you run at anytime could mean sponsorship, less work and more time to train, get into better meets, and the achievement of always trying to run your best! 2. Saying people are in great shape ad its an Olympic year doesn't mean world records should all be broken? How many times in history are world records broken in Olympic years? 3. The athletes breaking world records aren't working at other jobs. 4. Americans are not running faster due to time trials such as the one in Arizona. They have a better opportunity to run faster at the world marathon majors.

Your list of athletes is nice but other than Houlihan what sense does it make.

Listen, the shoes help greatly and there is no doubt about it. It is evolution of the sport, but make no mistake they are making a big difference.

Not Registered432 wrote:

Having raced in the dragon fly, I did not find it to be this amazing shoe that propels you forward. What I did get out of it was a shoe that raced like a track spike but had the cushioning of a racing flat. Still not sold that the shoes are responsible for the times. They might be part of it but much smaller then being made out to be. Fastest 10k time run this year was not in the so called "super spikes", how do you explain this? The dragonfly did allow me to recover from my 5ks like I was 20yrs old again. The real advantage of the spikes might be that they are allowing athletes to recover faster, which may very well be why other athletes want to use them. Faster recover, more hard efforts which in turn leads to faster times.

^^^This! ^^^

I used them for a 3K TT two weeks ago. Good shoes, but they are not magic.

They are light, have a normal (n0n-carbon plate), and the extra padding. That is it IMO.

I am tired of hearing the uninformed posters on several threads saying they are 'worth' 2-3 seconds over the mile. Nothing supports that - If there were someone who have posted some reliable studies or objective tangible evidence by now.

If you consider all the different variables across the levels of the sport--different distances, different locations, different training environments, different track surfaces, new technology--there is probably one constant across all of that: the availability of new shoe technology that can marginally improve performance. When people like Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce and Sha'carri Richardson are running some of the fastest sprint times ever, and other sprinters at the high school and college level are running incredibly fast as well, the access to the shoes is probably the one thing that unites all these different runners.

The same principle applies to distance runners. Hobbs Kessler, Yared Nuguse, Cole Hocker, Joshua Cheptegei, Siffan Hassan, various marathoners, have all been tearing it up in vastly different conditions. What's the commonality? Shoe technology. There are other factors that could lead to individual improvement, but the shoes are the one thing that everyone has equal access to.

What does Nike pay you to post here? How can I get in on this action?

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

When people like Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce ..

Well, let's look at SAFP a little closer. She at one time was sponsored by PUMA? Does PUMA have a super-shoe spike? What was SAFP wearing in her recent JAMAICAN RECORD?

The Insider wrote:

have any of you considered the possibility that evolution

Really hard to take you seriously after this. You won't see evolutionary changes over 100 years. Plus what would be driving an evolutionary shift towards speed endurance? If anything, humans are getting more sedentary.

a data point wrote:

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

When people like Shelly Ann Fraser-Pryce ..

Well, let's look at SAFP a little closer. She at one time was sponsored by PUMA? Does PUMA have a super-shoe spike? What was SAFP wearing in her recent JAMAICAN RECORD?

In this video, we see SAFP wearing a NIKE head-band, and a NIKE singlet. Why, or why, after the race, we don't get a full shot of what type of shoes she is wearing, hmmmm?