nau smartypants wrote:
I think even our founders were not believing in Oregon guys until nationals. Anybody can TT a 3:50 indoor.
This board never ceases to be amazing. How do some of you function day-to-day?
nau smartypants wrote:
I think even our founders were not believing in Oregon guys until nationals. Anybody can TT a 3:50 indoor.
This board never ceases to be amazing. How do some of you function day-to-day?
a 3:53 in a 1600 relay split is worth like a 3:58 mile for someone this board doesnt like
Usually the conversion for relays is ~2 seconds. 24.99 is still brisk for a 3:55.
line it up wrote:
A 3:53r is not close to a 3:50 mile
Lol okay[/quote]
I mean, they're not that close. There is 1.5 seconds difference between 1600 and mile. Plus another 0.5 to 1.0 seconds difference between open and relay due to the running start. So the 3:53r is worth about 3:55 open mile. That's pretty different from 3:50 flat.
Remind me the time when Nuguse ran a 3:50 or a 3:53 with a 25 last 200
bula bump wrote:
line it up wrote:
Lol okay
I mean, they're not that close. There is 1.5 seconds difference between 1600 and mile. Plus another 0.5 to 1.0 seconds difference between open and relay due to the running start. So the 3:53r is worth about 3:55 open mile. That's pretty different from 3:50 flat.
You're not factoring in that one was a winning effort over a year ago in normal spikes vs a 2nd place finish in a perfectly paced team time trial this year in super spikes.
Seriously, do you think Hocker would just run away from Nuguse in a 1500m race without it being a competition? You don't think it would be close? If that's your take, I don't think you follow running very closely.
John Macardle wrote:
bula bump wrote:
I mean, they're not that close. There is 1.5 seconds difference between 1600 and mile. Plus another 0.5 to 1.0 seconds difference between open and relay due to the running start. So the 3:53r is worth about 3:55 open mile. That's pretty different from 3:50 flat.
You're not factoring in that one was a winning effort over a year ago in normal spikes vs a 2nd place finish in a perfectly paced team time trial this year in super spikes.
Seriously, do you think Hocker would just run away from Nuguse in a 1500m race without it being a competition? You don't think it would be close? If that's your take, I don't think you follow running very closely.
You're correct, I'm not factoring that in. I was responding to the person who said "lol okay" to the comment that 3:53r is not that close to 3:50 mile. The fact is they're not that close.
But everything you said sounds reasonable so I expect that a race between Hocker and Nuguse would be a closer margin than the 5 second difference based on their best times.
bula bump wrote:
John Macardle wrote:
You're not factoring in that one was a winning effort over a year ago in normal spikes vs a 2nd place finish in a perfectly paced team time trial this year in super spikes.
Seriously, do you think Hocker would just run away from Nuguse in a 1500m race without it being a competition? You don't think it would be close? If that's your take, I don't think you follow running very closely.
You're correct, I'm not factoring that in. I was responding to the person who said "lol okay" to the comment that 3:53r is not that close to 3:50 mile. The fact is they're not that close.
But everything you said sounds reasonable so I expect that a race between Hocker and Nuguse would be a closer margin than the 5 second difference based on their best times.
I said “lol” in the context of comparing the two runners, all things considered, who are most certainly close in capabilities.
Recent history has been unkind to NCAA defending champions.
Hoare took the title from defending champ Kerr.
Nuguse took the title from defending champ Hoare.
Hocker takes the title from defending champ Nuguse?