Athing Mu Will not run NCAA indoor 800

TrackCoach wrote:

However, as a practical matter, Mu can get out front in the 800 control the race and make it an easy victory. She won't have to run the 4x4 prelim; the 800 and 400 prelims will be slightly more than a training interval. Mu would only have 2 hard races over 2 days, the open 400 and 4x4. Mu has a bright future, why not take the future as it comes and get it started by not leaving food on the table. No matter what Mu does in the future, a Bowerman and 3 NCAA titles is something she will look back on with pride. Btw, athletes looking back on their careers are far more likely to be disappointed by opportunities they didn't take advantage of than the ones they did.

The 800 final is 20 minutes after the 400 final, and the 4x400 final 40 minutes later. That is a pretty tight schedule.

The way I see it, the NCAA indoor distance events will be watered down as most top distance/XC teams (NAU, BYU men, Colorado, NC State women, Notre Dame, Stanford) are opting to compete at NCAA XC rather than NCAA indoors.

The NCAA should really take a look at itself in the mirror and answer why they had to set XC champs so close to track champs.

ohyeahohyeahohyeah wrote:

The way I see it, the NCAA indoor distance events will be watered down as most top distance/XC teams (NAU, BYU men, Colorado, NC State women, Notre Dame, Stanford) are opting to compete at NCAA XC rather than NCAA indoors.

Women's 3,000 and 5,000 are not watered down. Maybe 1-2 of the top runners not running, and Gregory of AR only doing 3,000 (and probably DMR). NC State may have three in the 5,000, but Steelman seems to be skipping 3,000 in favor of XC. Men's is a different story due to NAU and BYU.

Shoe city wrote:

Tuohy scratched as noted.

isn't that like me saying I scratched from this summer's Olympics?

Tuohy wasn't getting in if she did declare. It took 911 to get in and her time converted to 914

rojo wrote:

Shoe city wrote:

Tuohy scratched as noted.

isn't that like me saying I scratched from this summer's Olympics?

Tuohy wasn't getting in if she did declare. It took 911 to get in and her time converted to 914

well I guess there was a chance a couple more of the faster girls might have scratched..........maybe not much of a chance, but a chance

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So Hocker may run mile prelim, 1200 on DMR 1 1/2 hour later, mile final, then 3,000 1 hour later? Teare anchors DMR, then 3,000 next day.

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The 3k is probably just a backup for if he falls or something in the mile prelim. Since it is the last distance event, there is no reason not to declare for it if you qualify

FastTuohy wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

However, as a practical matter, Mu can get out front in the 800 control the race and make it an easy victory. She won't have to run the 4x4 prelim; the 800 and 400 prelims will be slightly more than a training interval. Mu would only have 2 hard races over 2 days, the open 400 and 4x4. Mu has a bright future, why not take the future as it comes and get it started by not leaving food on the table. No matter what Mu does in the future, a Bowerman and 3 NCAA titles is something she will look back on with pride. Btw, athletes looking back on their careers are far more likely to be disappointed by opportunities they didn't take advantage of than the ones they did.

The 800 final is 20 minutes after the 400 final, and the 4x400 final 40 minutes later. That is a pretty tight schedule.

Thanks for the knowledge!

That is absolutely stupid scheduling; perhaps the worst I have ever seen.

aztec the moronic wrote:

Dwightarm wrote:

Thought the same thing. Great move by them to not overrace her in her first year.

I think it's DUMB. She has run like 4 races in the past 12 months. No risk of overtraining. Her coaches are still racing her 3 times, except it's 400 prelim, 400 final, and 4x4 instead of 800 prelim, 800 final and 4x4.

Reading comprehension..........

We are saying it is better for her to run 2 events instead of 3. Good lord some of you are buffoons.

Furthermore, the 800m is a lock win. More difficult for her to race the 400m.

Fair enough, I didn't really parse the times, just saw her name with an S next to it.

Coaches have an admin responsibility to accept or scratch for the top 75 in each event. So even for athletes far down the chart, something has to be submitted by the team. This year due conflict w xc, there were a lot of scratches at the top, resulting in some surprise qualifiers. Vanriele from PSU made w800, Smulders from Miss made men's mile, but was marked as scratch. After all the scratches, Tuohy was reasonably close in spot 18 for 16 runners in 3k, although she was also marked as scratch by coach.

Tuohy is in the DMR pool of 6 for NC State. Henes, the usual anchor runs the 5k final, with only about 50 min to recover for dmr. If Henes does not run, that leaves some combination of Vess, Shaw, Tuohy and Bush for the 3 distance legs. If Henes does run, it's a double like Rupp and Ches did, and that leaves Shaw, Tuohy and Bush as 1200 options, assuming Vess at 800.

Honestly it makes the weekend more interesting for me. If she ran the 800 nobody could touch her, now not only do we get the chance to see her take a shot at the collegiate 400 record, we also get to see a much more interesting 800 with multiple 2:01-2:02 girls who all have a shot. I'm picking Lindsey Butler or Aaliyah Miller to win, and the winner will likely crack the NCAA top 10 all-time list (Butler is currently 11th).

rojo wrote:

Shoe city wrote:

Tuohy scratched as noted.

isn't that like me saying I scratched from this summer's Olympics?

Tuohy wasn't getting in if she did declare. It took 911 to get in and her time converted to 914

How were you ever a collegiate coach. Coaches have to mark scratch or accept if the athlete is anywhere on the qualifying list. Yes, she wouldn't have qualified if she hadn't scratched, but it doesn't change the fact that she did.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Nonsense! wrote:

She has no long term A&M interests. She is going for the 400 record to go with her 800 record before she turns pro. She's already proven herself as the best at 800.

That’s exactly what makes it commendable. They realize she has bigger, Olympic fish to fry this summer.

It doesn’t make it commendable. Simply because nowadays coaches can’t tell their athletes what they’re going to do if the athlete doesn’t want to do it. Simple as that. So Mu not running the 800m is her, and her “teams” (not A&M), choice. Is what it is.

Actually Jearl Miles-Clark previously held the american record @800m with a 1.56 and in the same era ran 49.40 and was a staple of usa 4x4’s and individual 400m world champ. What’s interesting tho is that her niece talitha Diggs is also making waves this season number two behind Mu with a 51.14 as a freshman. The clark family is american track royalty. They are some of the best half and quarter milers in history.

Surprisingly, between the time we started this discussion and the final entry sheet, turns out both Shaw and Tuohy from NC State would have made the 3k final. Last qualifier is now rank 31.

Could have had Henes in 5k Friday with Steelman n Chmiel, and then back Saturday in 3k with Tuohy and Shaw.

Instead all the state xc runners will be done Friday, have 2 days break and will be ready to go Monday in Stillwater.

lol

aztec the moronic wrote:

Dwightarm wrote:

Thought the same thing. Great move by them to not overrace her in her first year.

I think it's DUMB. She has run like 4 races in the past 12 months. No risk of overtraining. Her coaches are still racing her 3 times, except it's 400 prelim, 400 final, and 4x4 instead of 800 prelim, 800 final and 4x4.

She'll have to work harder to win the 400 than she would have to in the 800. She can jog the 800 and win easy. She can easily get tripped in an indoor 400, especially because the 400/200 types will probably beat her to the cut in.

DUMB MOVE. Give her the best chance to win a national championship. It would be in the 800.

I CALLED IT. Dumb move by the coaches, and it cost them valuable team points. It also cost Mu a national championship.

Agreed. Dumb arrogant move to try to set a national record rather than win an event. Run the 800.