Shouldn't Aliphine give her spot up? America? Sportsmanship

Officialdb wrote:

post nups wrote:

As usual, the first response nails it and puts this issue to bed.

Running is her CAREER.

Wrong. Anyone who knows Ali knows how honored she is to run for the USA and how stoked she was about the national aspect. Of course it's career changing as well, but she was stoked to represent the US.

What is wrong? Of course she is stoked to run for the USA. That doesn't invalidate the fact that running pays the bills and so financial considerations related to running are very important to her family.

This post wreaks of the same misogyny that pregnant women and women athletes have faced from employers and sponsors for 40+ years. Get outta here with your nonsense OP.

It’s Aliphine’s choice whether to run at the Olympics, she will inspire and be an incredible Olympic story, and USATF supports her (she just received a maternity grant).

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What is wrong? Of course she is stoked to run for the USA. That doesn't invalidate the fact that running pays the bills and so financial considerations related to running are very important to her family.[/quote]

"No one gives a flying rats @ss about representing your nation at this point. It’s all about financial gain and personal prestige"

that^ is wrong

No, she's earned the right to race, not race, hobby jog or sprint; she can do whatever she wants based on winning the trials. Good for her. Good for NAZ Elite. Good for USA. Bad for you.

No she should not. No one on the women's team has any chance for a medal anyway.

ABDI is 46 - should we replace him?

Leave the team as is.........RUPP is the only one who has a chance to medal in Tokyo

Dont we have a few threads about this already?

Officialdb wrote:

Fgtrtd wrote:

Would this post be made if she was white? Serious question.

No way.

Of course it would. Your post is why it's wrong for the schools and SJWs to be teaching everyone to look at everthing as racist. Not everything is racist. Most things are not racists.

People on these forums were telling Dan Browne to give up a spot 17 years ago.

Ryan Hall as well.

Game. Set. Match. Rojo wins.

I've always said it would be hard to be a minority as when someone is a jerk to you, you would have a hard time realizing if they are just being a jerk or just being racist. Most of the time it has nothing to do with race but your post shows that most people don't realize that. I think teaching people to look for racism everywhere is bad for society.

When I was in college I wrote a paper on the first African American football player at Yale. I asked him about how he was treated. He said, "Very well". SO I wrote that and the teacher reprimanded me for not finding more hidden racism.

But the OP is an idiot. She shouldn't give up her spot. Plus. There is only one American capable of medaling for the women anyway and her name is Sally Kipyego. Everyone else is just getting a free trip to Japan.

Gentleman Savage wrote:

You're naive and fail to recognize the actual point of the modern Olympics. You've bought into the hype and mythology but in reality there's been a cynical undercurrent since 1896. It's always been about money, Opie.

that's utterly ridiculous. Hardly any Olympians make any money of their sports.

A few stars, sure.

But the vast majority of them are pure amaters, doing their sport and living in near poverty to do it.

That said, she should do a time trial 2 months before the olympics. If it's utterly hopeless and she's in 2:40 shape, she should give up her spot. That's what a decent person would do.

Aim for a world major instead. There's no glory in reporting to a start line in bad shape, when someone on your team is fitter and faster and could take your spot.

Has it been said that no woman will say she should give up her spot because that is close to saying it's right to punish women in the workplace for their pregnancies? Cause that's what's going on here.

agip wrote:

That said, she should do a time trial 2 months before the olympics. If it's utterly hopeless and she's in 2:40 shape, she should give up her spot. That's what a decent person would do.

Aim for a world major instead. There's no glory in reporting to a start line in bad shape, when someone on your team is fitter and faster and could take your spot.

Has it been said that no woman will say she should give up her spot because that is close to saying it's right to punish women in the workplace for their pregnancies? Cause that's what's going on here.

No.

Alex S. wrote:

Gentleman Savage wrote:

You're naive and fail to recognize the actual point of the modern Olympics. You've bought into the hype and mythology but in reality there's been a cynical undercurrent since 1896. It's always been about money, Opie.

Well, you don't elaborate on your point, but in the age of moral signaling, and also of feigned anti-corporatism that we live in, your point of 1896 seems irrelevant. It's assumed by honest actors that they enter the Olympics with given goals, by fair means, and wouldn't do so otherwise. This leaves out Russia, obviously...

I only need to "elaborate" if you're ignorant. Go learn about amateurism beyond merely a superficial understanding.

agip wrote:

Gentleman Savage wrote:

You're naive and fail to recognize the actual point of the modern Olympics. You've bought into the hype and mythology but in reality there's been a cynical undercurrent since 1896. It's always been about money, Opie.

that's utterly ridiculous. Hardly any Olympians make any money of their sports.

A few stars, sure.

But the vast majority of them are pure amaters, doing their sport and living in near poverty to do it.

Look deeper, big guy. It won't be put up on a teevee screen for you.

agip wrote:

That said, she should do a time trial 2 months before the olympics. If it's utterly hopeless and she's in 2:40 shape, she should give up her spot. That's what a decent person would do.

Aim for a world major instead. There's no glory in reporting to a start line in bad shape, when someone on your team is fitter and faster and could take your spot.

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She should 100% not do that.

Unless you are suggesting they rerun the trials for everyone.

Hmmm... should I run in the olympics or not run in the olympics?

Tough choice.

I’d walk it before giving up my spot.

I don't even want to read this nonsense. AT earned that spot and it's hers to do whatever the heck she wants with it. She has plenty of time to get into shape and has shown time and again she is capable of showing up in a big way at big races. I'm excited to see her compete as she is a TRUE gamer at US championships and I think she represents the US as well as anyone.

WinnytheBish wrote:

I don't even want to read this nonsense. AT earned that spot and it's hers to do whatever the heck she wants with it. She has plenty of time to get into shape and has shown time and again she is capable of showing up in a big way at big races. I'm excited to see her compete as she is a TRUE gamer at US championships and I think she represents the US as well as anyone.

I tried, in my original post, to make this not about race or gender. It shouldn't be.

I had to use over-the-top affirmational language like "she earned it," only for that to be picked up by a dimwit. Of course she earned it, then, but what did she earn? Not an ice cream.

I am not advocating a forced removal, I am asking if it wouldn't be gracious of Aliphine to give a spot to an individual who, by all indications, would perform better in representation for her country in the future. Is this a hard concept to grasp?

She earned her spot, at the time, true, but according to what? Do you think the IOC makes the rules? Do you think the American IOC would allow for people who hadn't trained for months to step on the largest stage, if they could foresee it? This is not in any way hateful. It's a description of circumstances. Perhaps signaling, and not performance/representation is the important part of the Olympics, to some posters. You are welcome to that opinion, but it's also counter to the stated point of the Olympics: Faster, Higher, Stronger, and add some flags in.

The Olympic committee/USATF/Whatever determined what would be fair given the circumstances. You people do realize, in other countries, an Aliphine would already have been taken off the list by some bureaucrat? Not in some arbitrary sports governing body, in many cases, but by the actual government.

In my view, any male who hasn't had much focused training for 9 months, and is only getting back to the basics a few months before the Olympics ought to step down. Is there some misogyny or racism in that idea?

And in complete fairness:

If Aliphine shows that she is the most reboundable athlete out there, by some performance in the next couple months...believe me, I would be behind her.

rojo wrote:

But the OP is an idiot. She shouldn't give up her spot. Plus. There is only one American capable of medaling for the women anyway and her name is Sally Kipyego. Everyone else is just getting a free trip to Japan.

Glad to once be called an idiot, and at another time, one of the greatest posters on Letsrun by Rojo. A double-compliment, not matter which way you slice it, haha!

I mean, Faith Kipyegon gave birth and then less than a year later beat Shelby Houlihan, Gudaf Tseguy, Laura Muir et al to win the Pre Classic. Three months after that she ran 3:54 and got silver in Doha.

Aliphine will be doing it 7 months instead of 11, but also presumably isn't/wasn't going to be trying to beat three of the best living athletes in her field anyway. No one's saying she has to medal, just be competitive which she still has a shot at.