OK so of all the 1500m races run in Monaco, Ingebrigtsen has the 12th fastest performance whereas Kiplimo has the 20th fastest 5000m performance done ANYWHERE. Does that statistic mean anything to you? Kiplimo is obviously the superior runner although it appears neither is clean, as Ingebrigtsen is suspicious as hell and whatever the Ugandans are taking would probably make you fast Wigs.
I might add that Kiplimo may be MUCH closer to Cheptegei than their recent performances indicate.
need 3000m as Olympic event wrote:
Heres Jonny wrote:
Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.
I would love to see 3000m as an Olympic event. Three-thousand metres is the longest distance tv networks may be willing to go sans commercials. Aged out 1500m gals & guys versus true 3000m-5000m athletes, it would be exciting. We need to dump 10000m A.S.A.P. What were they thinking in 1912? Twenty-five laps on 400m track is awful television. 1500m to 10000m, the race starts with 900m to go.
You are a complete neanderthal, golf goes on all day and is very boring but the sport of rolling in money. Mo's 1 hour record attempt was watched on Zwift by hobby joggers. What is the most profitable part of the sport? Marathons and only one person has done it under 2 hours. This anti long distance on the track idea is killing track. When a distance race is on you can also watch jumps and throws at on the same time, a real atmosphere.
Heres Jonny wrote:
OK so of all the 1500m races run in Monaco, Ingebrigtsen has the 12th fastest performance whereas Kiplimo has the 20th fastest 5000m performance done ANYWHERE. Does that statistic mean anything to you? Kiplimo is obviously the superior runner although it appears neither is clean, as Ingebrigtsen is suspicious as hell and whatever the Ugandans are taking would probably make you fast Wigs.
I might add that Kiplimo may be MUCH closer to Cheptegei than their recent performances indicate.
Was Jakob Ingebrigtsen on drugs at aged 10 when he ran 8km (5 miles) in 30 minutes?
However, Bolt was on drugs from a young age (14/15).
I'm not even the fastest guy named Tim in my team, there's a guy named Tom who's faster!
Heres Jonny wrote:
Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.
Jacob Kiplimo was much better than Jakob Ingebrigtsen when he was 15 - 10000 m at 27.26.68. So it is all about progression.
KaareV wrote:
Heres Jonny wrote:
Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.
Jacob Kiplimo was much better than Jakob Ingebrigtsen when he was 15 - 10000 m at 27.26.68. So it is all about progression.
He was also much older than Jakob at age "15." Sorry, had to be said.
Go Team Jake! wrote:
KaareV wrote:
Jacob Kiplimo was much better than Jakob Ingebrigtsen when he was 15 - 10000 m at 27.26.68. So it is all about progression.
He was also much older than Jakob at age "15." Sorry, had to be said.
How do you know? Documention, please. Not speculations.
KaareV wrote:
Go Team Jake! wrote:
He was also much older than Jakob at age "15." Sorry, had to be said.
How do you know? Documention, please. Not speculations.
That is the problem in East Africa. No documentation. Of the birth date!
No birth certifications, at least not thrusrworthy.
"You need a passport? Ok, when is your date of birth?"
"1. january, nineteen ninety....ehh...two thoussand!"
"Oki doki"
Too much arguing about 2 of the best runners of all time. No way to know which is better. Comparing 1500 and 5k is silly unless one is 5th all time and the other is 100th. They are so close in place and time off world record that it is a tie at present. And trying to discount a track is dumb. The best runners are dumb not to compete on a fast track.
I also think we should look away from 100 , 200 and 400m races from Hayward stadium as those times are much better than the athletes do anywhere else. Berlin and Dubai marathon are probably too short and downhill with tailwind all the way. Definitly not approved and 2:01 there is about equal to 2:08 anywhere else
Heres Jonny wrote:
Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.
Is it really so obvious?
according to IAAF scorring tables 3:28 is better than 12:28 but they are close and both very good. Also stop talking about pacers for Jokob. There were pacers in that race but did you watch it? the pacers went out way hot and only Cheruiyot went with them. Cheruiyot had pacers in that race not Jakob. he ran in the front of the second pack the whole time until he almost caught Cheruiyot at the end
3.28.68 is 1264 points on the IAAF scoring tables while 12:48.67 (.03s slower than Kiplimo's time) is worth 1252 points.
So Ingebrigtsen's performance is clearly superior than Kiplimo (in termes of performance equivalence).
It's also worth noting that Kiplimo had someone to draft nearly the entire race while Jakob had none. And I think ~10min of drafting has more impact on one's performance than a "fast track".
They will race at 3,000 in Rome. It's fair to say Jakob is better at 1500, Kiplimo likely but not assuredly better at 5,000, and definitely at 10,000/XC. Meeting in the middle will be great as they are unlikely to meet in their best events at a championship for sometime (1,500 and 10,000). They might duel in the 5,000 in Tokyo, but not assured.
Exactly. We can't prove Jacob isn't 19, but there is good reason to doubt it. But 12:48 is incredible at any age.
Look it is very clear that both runners are very strong #2s in their event of choice right now. Jakob is 8th all time, and Jacob is 12th (but did just beat the man who is 5th all time in 5k).
It is interesting that both runners got their PBs in similar fashion, leading a chase group then catching up to the leader who had followed the pacers to hell. Kiplimo will be a force at 5k/10k and Jakob at 1500/5k. I'd imagine Jakob can run 12:50 or so and kiplimo perhaps 26:30-40.
A 3k between the 2 will be fascinating. I think I would give Jakob the edge but not by much, maybe 7:28 vs. 7:30.
Brazilian Guy wrote:
It's also worth noting that Kiplimo had someone to draft nearly the entire race while Jakob had none. And I think ~10min of drafting has more impact on one's performance than a "fast track".
You clearly didn't watch Kiplimo's race.
Jakob I's 1500 meter time is 1.4 % slower than the WR.
Jakob K on the 5000 meter is 1.7 % slower than the WR.
Not obvious in any way that Jakob K is a better runner than Jakob I.
runnerryan wrote:
Exactly. We can't prove Jacob isn't 19, but there is good reason to doubt it. But 12:48 is incredible at any age.
If what was posted earlier in this thread is right, that Kiplimo ran 27:26 at age 15, then that is proof that his age is fake. I wouldn't believe a 15 year old ran 13:43 5000, let alone back to back.
Hopefully these two do indeed race at 3000. It will at least give an objective data point...not that it matters. Both are insanely fast.
Brazilian Guy wrote:
It's also worth noting that Kiplimo had someone to draft nearly the entire race while Jakob had none. And I think ~10min of drafting has more impact on one's performance than a "fast track".
What are you smoking?