Was Ben Johnson the 100 G.O.A.T.?

No one denies that Usain Bolt (JAM) is the greatest of all-time.

I think Carl Lewis (USA) would be 2nd.

Jesse Owens (USA) is there.

Well, upon Gatlin’s return he was Fatlin?.

And then after his layoff, there was Walter Thix?.

And of course the whole Gay Patton Dix era.

Let me know if you have any for those other guys. Even if not, Dolt and Flake are deserving. Make sure you try for Carter, Mullings, and Powell.

Hey I just got one thanks to your prompting—Asafa Fowell, the best one yet?

Thanks!

And Stripteaser is only ok. I liked Printsneezer better?

A little gentle derision is a good thing, especially when earned.

Sprintgeezer wrote:Dolt was also better, but not sub-10. His weaknesses were perfectly overcome, chemically. Gatlin I think could have made it to 9.65 unrestricted

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Embarrassing. For as much as you apparently know, your continuous name calling (Dolt, Flake), which you don’t extend to any other runner completely nullifies anything you have to say. You just come across as a pouty child.

And with all the mud you sling, you don’t think Gatlin hasn’t been running sauced up? He ran faster times POST PED suspension. How does that work if he isn’t running unrestricted ?

I think Jim Walmsley is the 100 GOAT

Ben does not need to apologise to anyone, for anything.

He ran for himself. He does not owe anything to anyone who has a passport with the same country on it.

99% of people are band-wagon jumpers and then sell-outs. They jumped on the Ben band-wagon when he was world champion and world record holder and then just one year later they sold out when he tested positive.

I remember an elementary school teacher in Toronto teaching her class to shout 'NO!' in unison, when she asked them the question 'is Ben Johnson our hero?'. While the CBC cameras were rolling.

What a disgrace. This is how Canada treats a Jamaican immigrant who spent 15 years of his life training and sacrificing to represent his adopted country.

Ben damaged the sport? Oh really?

Then what about the hundreds of track and field athletes who took PEDs, AND tested positive listed here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

They don't matter right? ONLY BEN. Of course how silly of me. ONLY BEN.

[ notice that list only has athletes in track and field. If we added other sports, the list is much much bigger and is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_sport

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So 'NO!' he did not damage the sport. He inspired many to get into it, as coaches or athletes, including at least one future Olympic 100m champion from Ontario.

A rower from Toronto named Silken Laumann won a silver medal at the 1995 World Championships, but was subsequently stripped of the medal after testing positive for pseudoephedrine (which she claimed to have accidentally ingested due to a mix-up in what cold medicine she could safely use).

But wait . . . she is white so lets not talk about her. Let us just continue to crucify the Jamaican immigrants with accents who live in the great 'white' north. I think that is fair complexion.

seasoned ranker wrote:

You still haven't explained how he is supposedly better than Bolt.

He can't explain it. He's posted absolutely ZERO evidence that Bolt was using. Bolt's career is just so much better than BJ's.

I'm not saying that Ben is a bad guy or isn't a sympathetic figure. But his career ain't Bolt's, and his times aren't close to Bolt's. End of story.

And it's hard to take someone seriously (not talking about the OP) who calls Bolt "Dolt."

welp wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:Dolt was also better, but not sub-10. His weaknesses were perfectly overcome, chemically. Gatlin I think could have made it to 9.65 unrestricted

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Embarrassing. For as much as you apparently know, your continuous name calling (Dolt, Flake), which you don’t extend to any other runner completely nullifies anything you have to say. You just come across as a pouty child.

And with all the mud you sling, you don’t think Gatlin hasn’t been running sauced up? He ran faster times POST PED suspension. How does that work if he isn’t running unrestricted ?

stripteaser, you're just a mentally ill boomer with many aliases and an all consuming obsession with talking poop about black sprinters. funny how you pretend to argue wity yourself but end up on the same 'he's sauced up' bs.

and ben johnson wasnt just “on PEDs” (although correct). he was DOPPED UP TO THE GILLS w mad dynabol, wistrol etc heavy duty wild harsh metalhead gear. which is why he looked like a piece of Rocky 4 iron at the oly.

welp wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:Dolt was also better, but not sub-10. His weaknesses were perfectly overcome, chemically. Gatlin I think could have made it to 9.65 unrestricted

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Embarrassing. For as much as you apparently know, your continuous name calling (Dolt, Flake), which you don’t extend to any other runner completely nullifies anything you have to say. You just come across as a pouty child.

And with all the mud you sling, you don’t think Gatlin hasn’t been running sauced up? He ran faster times POST PED suspension. How does that work if he isn’t running unrestricted ?

I just extended it to Fowell, and gave you Fatlin and Thix.

And think about what unrestricted means, and revisit your last (meaningless) paragraph. If there has been anybody who has been under the lens of scrutiny over the last 15 years, it has been the hated Gatlin, especially in GBR. Whatever his recent use, it has hardly been unrestricted.

Think about what you write. BJ “ran for himself” but “spent 15 years of his life...to represent his adopted country”? Yeah, right. Which is it?

Regardless of what others have done, BJ did damage, and great damage at that, being the biggest athlete in the biggest event.

BTW the world, including Canada, still loves him, no matter what milquetoast Canadian anchors like Knowlton Nash and Peter Mansbridge read on the air.

For sure there are racist aholes there who have always hated him, or at least never trusted him, and unfortunately had that distrust vindicated. That’s the worst part of it, providing justification for the prejudice. You know how hard people have to work to get out from under that shiit? It’s almost impossible. They just give up and start using. Why not, since everyone believes they’re using anyway. It was the whole crew there who ruined things, but BJ was the front man.

And the reason Laumann won was not because of drugs, it was because she was hugely XXY, IIRC. That Y gets people far, it is as if she was using relative to the field. I’m sure her T levels were off the charts for a female. The more you Silken, the more you Laumann.?

Race has squat to do with BJ. Everyone still likes him because Lewis was such a dick. And everyone still hates Lewis.

GoldenMile wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

You still haven't explained how he is supposedly better than Bolt.

He can't explain it. He's posted absolutely ZERO evidence that Bolt was using. Bolt's career is just so much better than BJ's.

I'm not saying that Ben is a bad guy or isn't a sympathetic figure. But his career ain't Bolt's, and his times aren't close to Bolt's. End of story.

And it's hard to take someone seriously (not talking about the OP) who calls Bolt "Dolt."

What’s hard to take seriously is 9.59/19.19.

Impossible, actually. There is a boatload of evidence that Dolt has used. Look up the meaning of the word evidence. Every alternate explanation offered has been rightfully discounted. It was the yams, right?

Get over yourself. Dolt IMO was slightly faster in the 100 than BJ both clean...and was equally faster when both used. Among those two it was a level playing field before the bust. Newer track, new peptides, would have gotten BJ down a bit, but IMO not to 9.58

what 'evidence' you demented loon?

who do you think is more prejudiced than a moran taking any sign of evidence and broadstoking it to make it look as bad as possible like you do, moran? who's always the first to accuse? who's writing tripe novels every day over many years about cheating to make everyone look bad with imaginary evidence? you, moran.

I remember seeing Johnson smash the WR down to 9.83 in Rome in 1987. Complete shock to see a tenth of a second knocked off. Then came back and did in '88.

Bolt is the GOAT. Probably using and the tracks are better these days but he's got biomechanical advantages at 6'5" Only 40 strides compared to normal 44.

Johnson was incredible out of the blocks. But he can't be the GOAT - where was he in LA84? Answer - picking up bronze.

Why was he vilified? Because he was the first big name athlete to get caught for doping. The goddamn 100-metre gold medallist - not some shotputter or silver medallist in the women's 400 or other event we didn't care about. In that day and age, we wanted to believe only the dirty Communists took steroids. A westerner getting caught shattered the illusion that the rest of us played fair.

Incidentally I still rate this as one of my favourite Youtube videos

https://youtu.be/EAiX1RGp4II

Uhh wrote:

I remember seeing Johnson smash the WR down to 9.83 in Rome in 1987. Complete shock to see a tenth of a second knocked off. Then came back and did in '88.

Bolt is the GOAT. Probably using and the tracks are better these days but he's got biomechanical advantages at 6'5" Only 40 strides compared to normal 44.

Johnson was incredible out of the blocks. But he can't be the GOAT - where was he in LA84? Answer - picking up bronze.

Why was he vilified? Because he was the first big name athlete to get caught for doping. The goddamn 100-metre gold medallist - not some shotputter or silver medallist in the women's 400 or other event we didn't care about. In that day and age, we wanted to believe only the dirty Communists took steroids. A westerner getting caught shattered the illusion that the rest of us played fair.

I understand that there has been a culture of doping in sprinting for decades, bit the thing with Johnson is he was obviously going full throttle. One year getting blown away by Alan Wells and the next year on a different planet to everybody. And he was hardly Justin Gatlin when he came back after his suspension.

Bolt is the most naturally gifted sprinter we have ever seen, and if a trained eye does not notice that, I pity you. An absolute genetic freak at his height, biomechanics, and mobility. This has all been studied. He's not like Ben Johnson / Christian Coleman of stout builds like midgets sprinting. Notice the all-time greats are lanky, lean, and fluid. This is why Bolt basically never had an injury in his entire career.

If... if he kept running he would have kept winning all the 100m relevant titles setting multiple WRs and destroying everyone in the process for years, pretty much like Bolt but for longer (Imo due to his personality), he would have probably ran 9.6x IN THE 90s but...

... he was caught, so Bolt is the 100 GOAT by far.