if you say so wrote:
No. He averaged 4:50 miles in a 3x5k workout. It is not likely he is a 4:50 miler or 2:30 marathoner.
Until he actually runs a timed mile in a race or time trial, not some self-reported estimate of a rumored workout, then nobody knows that this guy is better than a 4:50 miler. Just once is all it would take. Less than five minutes out of this guys life to shut up all the naysayers. But it will never happen; too much chance of exposure.
plant curious wrote:
Wow, somebody who spends his entire life running professionally is in 4:15 shape! That's only 15% slower than the world record holder!
So if an ultra runner is capable of being within 15% of the WR for a middle distance race, that would be the same as a distance runner being within 15% of the world record in the 100 or 200 meters.
So what if we learned a 5k/10k guy could run 11 flat and 22 flat? Would we be excited? It would be interesting, I suppose, but not that meaningful.
Anyway, this was just a workout. And he has presumably a ton of strength, so I wouldn't expect the same 10x400 workout to predict a mile time the same way as a miler, since a miler has less strength.
The true world-class 5k/10k guys won't run anything close to sub-12, let alone 11-flat.
See It Believe It wrote:
You know what would show 4:10 fitness? If he actually ever ran 4:10.
You know what would show 2:07 marathon fitness? If he actually ever ran 2:07.
You know what would show that he is capable of being an Olympic 10,000 or Olympic marathon runner? If he ever actually made the Spanish team.
You apologizers for his lack of ANY tangible results EVER always say that he only wants to run mountain trails and has no interest in running a legitimately measured road race or track race. Well, what is he even doing on a track at all? There aren't any hills or rocks there. He doesn't seem to have any problem with running on a manicured surface when his carefully cultivated reputation isn't on the line by going up against the clock or legitimate runners. Just for fun, why doesn't he just skip the interval workout and jump in a track race or a road race? Because he is scared to death that the whole illusion would crash down. It is just as likely that this guy is a 2:30 marathoner, and a 4:50 miler.
Hey, I'm good enough to smack down LeBron in one-on-one, and I can show video of me shooting free throws to prove it. I just choose not to play in the NBA because I'm a free spirit.
:)
Allow me to sum up the roads vs trails debate. One group is the guys in this vid, one group is the girls. It doesn't matter who is who:
I just finished my morning trail run in 1 hour 12 minutes. This proves that I can run a 3;48 mile and a 2:02 marathon.
I watched a Bruce Lee movie. This proves that I can clobber any MMA fighter.
I carried a bag of groceries from my car to my kitchen. This proves that I can bench 480.
The problem is that you are assuming he cares about 'naysayers' or shutting them up to begin with.
Sure, he has fans that say this or that about his potential. Kilian isn't saying those things. The things Kilian does say is that he has no real interest in running flat stuff. I mean, geez, the IG post this thread is about he talked all about how he said he 'would never run anything flat'. Does that sound like someone who is desperate for people to believe he could be a fast road marathoner like you think he is?
This idea that Kilian cares if people think he could run fast on the roads or track exists entirely in the 'naysayers' heads.
plant curious wrote:
he has presumably a ton of strength, so I wouldn't expect the same 10x400 workout to predict a mile time the same way as a miler, since a miler has less strength.
Based on that workout for him, my prediction is 4:25 to 4:35 for the mile, but he'd have to run one to do it.
dunes runner wrote:
Based on that workout for him, my prediction is 4:25 to 4:35 for the mile, but he'd have to run one to do it.
4:25 sounds about right based on what I remember kids on my high school team racing off of about the same workout. 4:10 would be more likely off of 10x60s.
See It Believe It wrote:
I just finished my morning trail run in 1 hour 12 minutes. This proves that I can run a 3;48 mile and a 2:02 marathon.
I watched a Bruce Lee movie. This proves that I can clobber any MMA fighter.
I carried a bag of groceries from my car to my kitchen. This proves that I can bench 480.
Insecure much? Less running, watching Bruce Lee and carrying bags of groceries should help.
"Ah fuhget you!"
No but seriously, both sides really aren't interested in proving anything to the other. Each side basically invites the other side to challenge them on their home field. And they both refuse each others' offer, because it would be silly to challenge someone in their home environment without training specifically for it, and it would be silly to train for a challenge that doesn't apply to your revenue-earning sport.
That was my point - trying to make it lighter. This convo feels heated like there are real stakes attached, like people's egos are flying all over, and none of it matters.
At the end of the day killian could clock a 5 minute mile, but his prior performances would still suggest he is the best mountain runner of all time - in fact, being slow on flatlands might just add to his lore for his fans. Road runners would say HA that's proof killian isn't that good. Fans of each sport don't change their minds. Similar idea if you flip it. Get an elite runner into the true mountain races where kilian thrives, where even good flatland runners have to power-hike, and the skills just aren't transferable.
I think this is very apparent to the athletes themselves. It's not worth their time to get their egos involved.
Anything under 4:15 puts him in the GOAT range discussion.
Webb should watch out.
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masterofdisaster wrote:
See It Believe It wrote:
I just finished my morning trail run in 1 hour 12 minutes. This proves that I can run a 3;48 mile and a 2:02 marathon.
I watched a Bruce Lee movie. This proves that I can clobber any MMA fighter.
I carried a bag of groceries from my car to my kitchen. This proves that I can bench 480.
Insecure much? Less running, watching Bruce Lee and carrying bags of groceries should help.
I'm not insecure at all. Based on my workouts, I can bench 480, crush it at MMA and run a 3:48 mile. I'm awesome, so awesome in fact that I never have to enter any competitions to prove myself.
See It Believe It wrote:
masterofdisaster wrote:
Insecure much? Less running, watching Bruce Lee and carrying bags of groceries should help.
I'm not insecure at all. Based on my workouts, I can bench 480, crush it at MMA and run a 3:48 mile. I'm awesome, so awesome in fact that I never have to enter any competitions to prove myself.
Well we're all very glad you've managed to make this thread about you.
See It Believe It wrote:
dunes runner wrote:
Based on that workout for him, my prediction is 4:25 to 4:35 for the mile, but he'd have to run one to do it.
4:25 sounds about right based on what I remember kids on my high school team racing off of about the same workout. 4:10 would be more likely off of 10x60s.
I find these interval workouts quite hard to predict race times. In my prime I ran 8 x 400m in 62 to 64 secs with a 200 "jog" in about 1 min 30 to 2 mins. I would be running around 2 ticks over 3 mins 50 for 1500m while running that workout - I guess that is something like a 4_09 to 4_11 mile depending on what conversion is used. I think you also have to look at the other work a runner is doing around his or her workouts to get a better idea of their form. If someone is a "slower" runner but is also doing longer workouts such as 5 minute repeats or a bunch of threshold work then the 400m repeat time may well convert to a faster mile time. In contrast, if someone was a "faster" 400m/800m type of runner then the 400m repeat time may convert to a slower mile time if they were not doing the overdistance work. I am going to assume that Kilian is more of an endurance type of runner.
Wow didn't realize Jornet was so triggering to people. Just b/c he can beat you in a mile despite skiing all day.
I don't think I ever said he had "no potential on flat ground" so I don't know where you are getting that from? I might have said I'd be surprised if he cracked 2:15 in the marathon as he generally hates pavement and has avoided flat running generally. He obviously has the Vo2max and speed to do it though....it's a matter of "flat running economy".... I don't know. His specialty is technical mountain running in the 20km-50km distance, but he obviously has range to run a pretty good road marathon or a 100-miler. Obviously he's won races like UTMB so he is very good at ultra long distances, but I think his best performances of all time are actually shorter mountain races like his CR at Sierre-Zinal (20-miler) last year. He's definately the GOAT of "mountain running" however you want to define that. Last year at Pikes Peak Marathon he basically split what Joe Gray did in the ascent (1/2 marathon) as his turn-around summit split. Saw it with my own eyes from second place, although I was many minutes behind him.
zzzz wrote:
Uhh wrote:
skiing in a day (which is no impact and gravity does the work)
He skis uphill too.
This was pretty impressive, especially considering before last year, people like Sage thought he had no potential on flat ground. Turns out he just didn't do the training for flat. Looks like he was wearing trail shoes too?
Harambe wrote:
Wow didn't realize Jornet was so triggering to people. Just b/c he can beat you in a mile despite skiing all day.
There is less than zero proof that Killian has or can beat anybody in a mile. You can legitimately say that Killian has never been beaten in a road or track race, and that he will remain undefeated forever in road and track races.
Harambe wrote:
Wow didn't realize Jornet was so triggering to people. Just b/c he can beat you in a mile despite skiing all day.
Probably to just a troll or two...nobody to be taken seriously. Even a child can tell he is extraordinary.
See It Believe It wrote:
if you say so wrote:
No. He averaged 4:50 miles in a 3x5k workout. It is not likely he is a 4:50 miler or 2:30 marathoner.
Until he actually runs a timed mile in a race or time trial, not some self-reported estimate of a rumored workout, then nobody knows that this guy is better than a 4:50 miler. Just once is all it would take. Less than five minutes out of this guys life to shut up all the naysayers. But it will never happen; too much chance of exposure.
^dumb