David45's training thread

In his defense, a lot of people who are relatively new to consistent running start at paces like that. I agree he could definitely be going faster, but when you've just started getting into running it's hard to tell how fast you can actually be going. He'll learn eventually.

You guys are morans. Easy is easy. He's only at 8:05 for the mile, 12:30 pace is like 7:28 pace for a 5:00 miler. 2:09 marathoner Jo Fukuda jogs 9:50 pace sometimes.

Also, he has a Garmin. That's where he got the (very rough) estimate that his VO2 max is 37.

I had some 12:30 pace runs this week myself. Granted, they were on trails, and my legs are recovering from my first quick 3000 ft downhill (after uphill) off a mountain this season. But I easily see a slow kid working hard just to go 12:30s.

12:30 is a petty reasonable easy pace for an 8 min miler.

I’ve got plenty of friends/family who train at 13min/mile+ for their marathons. Sure, it’s not “running” In quite the same sense as sub-8 ;-), but it’s similar cross-training that preps you well to “run” , on down the line.

Just one example set of paces (put in 8 at link)

https://runfastcoach.com/calc2/index.php

Are people here retarded? Lots of people run at 12:30/mi. I was happy with running that pace when I started.

I'm sure there are more people running easy runs at 12:30/mi than their are at 7:30/mi or faster. People here drastically overestimate the average runner.

If you wanna question something, it's why someone that slow goes on the most elite running forum for advice. These people normally just jog to get healthier or to ease their mind and don't have any ambitions (yet). But 12:30/mi is definitely faster than walking, and a pace very commonly seen on the streets.

different strokes wrote:

I’ve got plenty of friends/family who train at 13min/mile+ for their marathons. Sure, it’s not “running” In quite the same sense as sub-8 ;-), but it’s similar cross-training that preps you well to “run” , on down the line.

Trust me there is no difference in effort between 13 min/mile and 8 min/mile. It just depends on fitness level. If anything, I was breathing and working harder at 13 min/mile because I was just so out of shape and couldn't sustain the pace for more than a mile. HR was above 190 at that pace. But both feel/felt like running and managed to pass walkers with ease usually!

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Are people here retarded? Lots of people run at 12:30/mi. I was happy with running that pace when I started.

I'm sure there are more people running easy runs at 12:30/mi than their are at 7:30/mi or faster. People here drastically overestimate the average runner.

If you wanna question something, it's why someone that slow goes on the most elite running forum for advice. These people normally just jog to get healthier or to ease their mind and don't have any ambitions (yet). But 12:30/mi is definitely faster than walking, and a pace very commonly seen on the streets.

Come on, 12:30 per mile is 7:40 per km.

In the streets, the only people you will see at this pace are very old people or out of shape women that are just starting.

Someone who have already run 7 minutes miles like the TS claimed should not run that slow. It would be biologically more challenging to slow down so much than run at 6:00 per km.

Don' t compare it to pro who sometimes go as slow as 5:30 or even slower, because that's the standard pace for recovery pace. People who run slower than that in all their runs are not doing recovery.

I believe that the author is trolling. He has complained to be cut from his team and at the same time is running 12:30 miles. This does not add up. Nobody can be surprised to be cut from a team if he trains like that.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

If you wanna question something, it's why someone that slow goes on the most elite running forum for advice. These people normally just jog to get healthier or to ease their mind and don't have any ambitions (yet). But 12:30/mi is definitely faster than walking, and a pace very commonly seen on the streets.

We’ve questioned this and it seems OP really wants to improve, assuming he’s not a troll. On another thread we encouraged him to create a training thread so we can help him and give him training tips, and he actually did it. We’ll see if he implements advice.

And I agree about 12:30 pace. Heck, people even run slower. I volunteered a season as an assistant middle school coach and the head coach had me run 14 min miles for 2 miles with these three girls one time. I kept wanting to just walk, but didn’t want to discourage them by doing so. I hurt so badly the next day from shuffling along at their pace. But they did it without walking and that was the goal.

Well, XC is normally no-cut

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Are people here retarded? Lots of people run at 12:30/mi. I was happy with running that pace when I started.

I'm sure there are more people running easy runs at 12:30/mi than their are at 7:30/mi or faster. People here drastically overestimate the average runner.

If you wanna question something, it's why someone that slow goes on the most elite running forum for advice. These people normally just jog to get healthier or to ease their mind and don't have any ambitions (yet). But 12:30/mi is definitely faster than walking, and a pace very commonly seen on the streets.

I am not jogging for fun. I am being serious in wanting to run fast

I agree with you LRP, simply acknowledging multiple view points on what constitutes ‘running’. There are sprinters who think that nothing we discuss on Let’s run counts! :-)

After a long layoff from running, my first mile back was about 13 min. I only ran one and thought it would kill me.

Typical fitness walkers go around 17-20min/mile, so 13m/m pace will blow-by them!

One of my exes was a 400/800 type athlete and to her everyone out getting their runs in were in fact jogging regardless of pace. If OP just does strides and incorporates some hills he will get far fitter in a couple of months time.

Disco Stu wrote:

david45 wrote:

My easy runs were at a pace of 12:30 minutes per mile.

Just for kicks, could you tell us how are you measuring the time and distance on your runs? I'm not going to say this is the case, but is it possible that all 10,000 of your pity threads are hanging on a case of bad data? Are you running on a road with biked out miles? Did you use a car to measure? Do you have a crappy watch? Or are you on a 400m track.

How epic would it be that he actually is much faster than he thought all because he has been using a mis-calibrated measuring tool!

David45, please answer my inquiry. It will help us help you.

Disco Stu wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:

Just for kicks, could you tell us how are you measuring the time and distance on your runs? I'm not going to say this is the case, but is it possible that all 10,000 of your pity threads are hanging on a case of bad data? Are you running on a road with biked out miles? Did you use a car to measure? Do you have a crappy watch? Or are you on a 400m track.

How epic would it be that he actually is much faster than he thought all because he has been using a mis-calibrated measuring tool!

David45, please answer my inquiry. It will help us help you.

I am measuring my time and distances accurately

RunnerSam wrote:

ElGuerroujFan wrote:

I was just saying good luck dude.

Add strides, a long run (60 minutes), and a 10-20 minute tempo each week and youll be fine.

Agreed with ElGFan, try the below schedule next week and let us know how it goes/feels

Day - Run Time (min)

Mn - 45 + 8x100m strides

Tu - 45

Wd - 45 w/ 20 min quicker + 4x100 strides

Th - 0

Fr - 45 + 8x100m strides

Sa - 60

Su - 0

If you are running 12:30s try for 2mi in 20min on Wd. You could replace one of the strides with hill repeats, if you cant measure out 100m just do 15-20seconds with 1min standing recovery

Given the OP is young, I don't think he needs to take Thursdays off. Run another 45min easy on Thursday. Add 5 min per day every 3-4 weeks until he gets 60 min a day (and 75 on the long run), and then he can think about starting some doubles.

david45 wrote:

Disco Stu wrote:

David45, please answer my inquiry. It will help us help you.

I am measuring my time and distances accurately

You didn't answer the questions. HOW are you measuring them? List specific devices and methods.

Please Stop wrote:

david45 wrote:

I am measuring my time and distances accurately

You didn't answer the questions. HOW are you measuring them? List specific devices and methods.

Just using a smartwatch

Please Stop wrote:

You didn't answer the questions. HOW are you measuring them? List specific devices and methods.

I already answered above that he was getting VO2 max numbers from a watch in another thread. That probably indicates a GPS watch. Are you aware of a watch that estimates VO2 max without a GPS?

donuts wrote:

Please Stop wrote:

You didn't answer the questions. HOW are you measuring them? List specific devices and methods.

I already answered above that he was getting VO2 max numbers from a watch in another thread. That probably indicates a GPS watch. Are you aware of a watch that estimates VO2 max without a GPS?

Studies have shown that smartwatches are accurate in measuring VO2 Max