Jess Andrews 90 sec PB! makes Team GB Oly Squad!!! Miracles do happen

That can't be true? married to a cyclist and living in Spain? Reminds me of Mara.

Stop the crazy kenyan wrote:

Married to a professional cyclist and living in Spain. Nothing to see her, move along.

A lot of pro-cyclists live in Spain, it's where a lot of the teams train and live.

She's engaged to Dan Martin, not someone who's ever been implicated in doping.

Could simply be an increase in focus.

Would seem to be a strange time to "start" using PEDs. There is a lot more scrutiny right now.

We even see people who (we know) we're using them having a drop off in performance in the last 11 months.

That being said, if she now has very advanced stuff at her disposal...

trollism wrote:

Stop the crazy kenyan wrote:

Married to a professional cyclist and living in Spain. Nothing to see her, move along.

A lot of pro-cyclists live in Spain, it's where a lot of the teams train and live.

She's engaged to Dan Martin, not someone who's ever been implicated in doping.

He's a pro cyclist. Living in Spain. That's the implication right there.

oh please wrote:

trollism wrote:

A lot of pro-cyclists live in Spain, it's where a lot of the teams train and live.

She's engaged to Dan Martin, not someone who's ever been implicated in doping.

He's a pro cyclist. Living in Spain. That's the implication right there.

Given that distance running is far dirtier than cycling these days, maybe his connection with her is implicating him, more than the other way around.

They all live in Spain, and not because of doping, because of the weather. Makes sense.

trollism wrote:

oh please wrote:

He's a pro cyclist. Living in Spain. That's the implication right there.

Given that distance running is far dirtier than cycling these days, maybe his connection with her is implicating him, more than the other way around.

They all live in Spain, and not because of doping, because of the weather. Makes sense.

'Psuedo-Brit' Farah is married to a non-runner--he rarely sees--, and trains in lax-drug testing Ethiopia, with convicted drug-using runners, while 'observed' by a very shady coach; and he controlled by a very shady coach who believes in maximizing grey-zone potential of his athletes.

Hvghvghghvhgv wrote:

Could simply be an increase in focus.

Would seem to be a strange time to "start" using PEDs. There is a lot more scrutiny right now.

We even see people who (we know) we're using them having a drop off in performance in the last 11 months.

That being said, if she now has very advanced stuff at her disposal...

Theres no scrutiny at all when your a 4.24/9.22/16.19/33.21 athlete living in Spain (or is it Andorra???...)

And its not as if those pbs are years and years old - they're recent.

If she was anything other than British or American and pretty this thread would be pages and pages long of (baseless of course) accusations - but as it is she is beyond suspicion.

Marcus Times 4 wrote:

Hvghvghghvhgv wrote:

Could simply be an increase in focus.

Would seem to be a strange time to "start" using PEDs. There is a lot more scrutiny right now.

We even see people who (we know) we're using them having a drop off in performance in the last 11 months.

That being said, if she now has very advanced stuff at her disposal...

Theres no scrutiny at all when your a 4.24/9.22/16.19/33.21 athlete living in Spain (or is it Andorra???...)

And its not as if those pbs are years and years old - they're recent.

If she was anything other than British or American and pretty this thread would be pages and pages long of (baseless of course) accusations - but as it is she is beyond suspicion.

Not really, but at the end of the day, she's getting lapped in Rio by a whole hoard of obviously clean (and doping doesn't work anyway) athletes.

Don't see how living in Spain has anything to do with it. You can dope anywhere in the World. Spain isn't exactly Ethiopia in terms of hiding from testers. She'll be subject to OOC testing now, as I imagine she won't have been before this.

trollism wrote:

Marcus Times 4 wrote:

Theres no scrutiny at all when your a 4.24/9.22/16.19/33.21 athlete living in Spain (or is it Andorra???...)

And its not as if those pbs are years and years old - they're recent.

If she was anything other than British or American and pretty this thread would be pages and pages long of (baseless of course) accusations - but as it is she is beyond suspicion.

Not really, but at the end of the day, she's getting lapped in Rio by a whole hoard of obviously clean (and doping doesn't work anyway) athletes.

Don't see how living in Spain has anything to do with it. You can dope anywhere in the World. Spain isn't exactly Ethiopia in terms of hiding from testers. She'll be subject to OOC testing now, as I imagine she won't have been before this.

Will she? What are the conditions for OOC? IAAF is world top 30 (which I expect she is 400m away from) what are the conditions for UK testing? (I genuinely have no idea at all so this is not a sarcastic question)

You amuse me Trollism - any African is automatically suspicious to you, but this is automatically not suspicious?

It was a wonderfully entertaining race; hopefully not a WWF moment.

Spain may not escape testers, but may have better access to PEDs and the shady doctors and agents that can help beat the tests. Just the facts of 2016 pro sports.

Marcus Times 4 wrote:

trollism wrote:

Not really, but at the end of the day, she's getting lapped in Rio by a whole hoard of obviously clean (and doping doesn't work anyway) athletes.

Don't see how living in Spain has anything to do with it. You can dope anywhere in the World. Spain isn't exactly Ethiopia in terms of hiding from testers. She'll be subject to OOC testing now, as I imagine she won't have been before this.

Will she? What are the conditions for OOC? IAAF is world top 30 (which I expect she is 400m away from) what are the conditions for UK testing? (I genuinely have no idea at all so this is not a sarcastic question)

You amuse me Trollism - any African is automatically suspicious to you, but this is automatically not suspicious?

I didn't say it wasn't suspicious, but it's not suspicious because she lives in Spain and her boyfriend's a cyclist.

Maybe it is suspicious, but a 33 minute 10k woman going a dot under 32 happens all the time in the super clean world of East Africa (of course doping doesn't work anyway).

If this means that she's selected for Rio, and it seems it does, of course she'll be in the UKA testing pool.

Can't we congratulate achievements anymore? There's no advantage to the sport in assuming every good performance is doped. Innocent until proven guilty should be everyone's reaction rather than dragging the sport we love through the mud.

I'm guessing she has a dodgy doctor/agent/haematologist to ensure she's clean knocking around her like the clean Africans (and that doping Italian walker who doesn't dope anymore but will win gold in Rio).

Show me that and I'll be as suspicious of her as I am any of them other science experiments.

trollism wrote:

I'm guessing she has a dodgy doctor/agent/haematologist to ensure she's clean knocking around her like the clean Africans (and that doping Italian walker who doesn't dope anymore but will win gold in Rio).

Show me that and I'll be as suspicious of her as I am any of them other science experiments.

Yes but the African's coaches/agents/doctors etc are all only dodgy because you say they are! Which is a flimsy criteria at best!

Personally I don't see this as necessarily suspicious but there are so many British (and in some cases well known) athletes/former athletes out there who love to point the finger and spread cynicism on twitter for anyone aside from Brits but are all silent or offering congratulations here.

I agree with other posters that we should enjoy all great performances so well done to Jess here.

But British fans (and athletes/former athletes) should remember improvements like this (and Elish Mcolgan over 5000) next time they throw suspicion on Non Brits for similar improvements.

Dr Rosa and Jos Hermens are only dodgy because I say they are?

Guessing you're new to the sport?

trollism wrote:

Marcus Times 4 wrote:

Yes but the African's coaches/agents/doctors etc are all only dodgy because you say they are! Which is a flimsy criteria at best!

Personally I don't see this as necessarily suspicious but there are so many British (and in some cases well known) athletes/former athletes out there who love to point the finger and spread cynicism on twitter for anyone aside from Brits but are all silent or offering congratulations here.

I agree with other posters that we should enjoy all great performances so well done to Jess here.

But British fans (and athletes/former athletes) should remember improvements like this (and Elish Mcolgan over 5000) next time they throw suspicion on Non Brits for similar improvements.

Dr Rosa and Jos Hermens are only dodgy because I say they are?

Guessing you're new to the sport?

But which Dr. Rosa? Gabriele or Frederico?

And maybe something "fancy" if a "member of a professional cycling team" is involved?

A "member of a professional cycling team" boyfriend "living in Spain" puts the suspicion meter at about 97/100.

What would everyone be saying on twitter if Andy Vernon improved by the same amount and broke his 5k PR during the 10k race in an Olympic year…while living in Spain with……?

On the other side of the coin...a 10K in 31:58 could also be a totally clean and fantastic performance by Jess Andrews.

rjm33 wrote:

trollism wrote:

Dr Rosa and Jos Hermens are only dodgy because I say they are?

Guessing you're new to the sport?

But which Dr. Rosa? Gabriele or Frederico?

And maybe something "fancy" if a "member of a professional cycling team" is involved?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27001214http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22362605

A "member of a professional cycling team" boyfriend "living in Spain" puts the suspicion meter at about 97/100.

What would everyone be saying on twitter if Andy Vernon improved by the same amount and broke his 5k PR during the 10k race in an Olympic year…while living in Spain with……?

On the other side of the coin...a 10K in 31:58 could also be a totally clean and fantastic performance by Jess Andrews.

As I've said, distance running is far dirtier than cycling these days. The current mess puts what cycling went through in the shade.

All Euro pro-tour cyclists live in Spain for at least part of the year. It's nothing to do with doping, even if they might be. They're not hiding in the Spanish mountains.

Look, she may well be doping, I don't know. But using these things as 'suspicion' just makes you out to be mentally deficient. I dunno, are you?

I'm a uk distance runner and clued up fan, I had little to no idea who Jess Andrews is, she just destroyed the world champion over 10k on the track in a track 10k running an 83 sec pb on a less than ideal night.