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songok wrote:

About kickers for 5000 in Helsinki.....did anyone else see Hengelo 3000 on the webcast? Did you see Songok just cruise past a straining Kipchoge in the last 100? I know Mottram just beat him in Seville but I hear that was because the Africans just looked at each other as Mottram ran away with 500 to go. I doubt they will make that mistake again! I'm thinking if Songok is in the 5000 he can surprise just like Kipchoge did in 2003....

PS we were hearing some weeks ago Hicham was in no shape and would not run in Hengelo once he heard of Kipchoge's 7:28. Sure enough, he withdrew citing a predictable 'illness'. Does anyone have any information on his shape? When he runs?


1. Your statement about Mottram is ridiculous.

You are trying to explicate Songkok's brilliance by faulty reasoning. Do you think Songkok watched Mottram take off with 500m to go and calmly dismissed him as some lunatic who would die off? He'd already made it 4500m at 13-low pace and had nearly outkicked Gebrselassie last year with a 55.

There is no basis for saying that the Africans just "decided" to let Mottram go and could easily have won.

2. Again, your speculation about El Guerrouj is also misguided. He was sick and had some injury problems, being behind in his training and trying to rush to catch up.

He may race in Zaragosa at 1500m and Mike Bautista knows more about what his remaining plans are, but El Guerrouj has never ducked competition. He's taken on Komen, Gebrselassie, Kipchoge, Bekele, Lagat, Ngeny, Cacho, Morceli, Baala, and Niyongabo. In fact, he's the one others have usually ducked.

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