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BearlySensible
RE: Thoughts on Josh Hoey turning pro?

PolatBearMobile wrote:


ex-runner wrote:


polarbear wrote:


rojo wrote:

My thoughts?

This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society. Honestly, that's what I'm thinking now. Admittedly that's an uninformed view.

When I first saw it, I was like, "Is this a joke?"

A 1:47 guy goes pro. Why? Why wouldn't you want to go to college - it's the best 4 years of your life? Why would adidas want to sponsor a 1:47 guy?

I've never believed that the NCAA is bad for athletes whether it's football, basketball or track. College gives you reasonable goals. Now this guy can get his head beat in until he runs 1:44 and is relevant.

The only thing that makes me think this isn't the dumbest thing ever is he's got Terrence Mahon as a coach and Wetmore as an agent. I respect both of those guys. But the idea that the shoe companies need to pay people to go pro early pisses me off. I love college track. Let them be good there, develop a brand and then go pro.

And I also think 800 guys can be some of the hardest to develop. Now he's decent at xc right (just looked it up 7th fastest at PA state xc meet) so he's probably not a pure speed guy which is good. Actually, I just did some more research and he ran a 4:11 mile as a sophomore. Won Millrose mile this year. Ok, I'm feeling better than I initially was. If a pure 800 1:47 guy went pro, I'd be going crazy. I still don't like it. I just dont' think the point of modern society should be to maximize earnings and don't think we should be having guys go pro for a WNBA salary.


More power to him.

It's this wierd american mind set that in certain sports (basketball, football, track and field) that the NCAA is the "natural" way of developing young athletes.

And so tell me the proud alma maters of Bekele, Rudisha, Coe, Ovett, Bolt?

European soccer and basketball players are on the professional track by early adolescence. There's no "one and done" debate in that system. For some reason NCAA folks have this entitled sense that athletes should be in their system before they go pro.


Well Coe went to Loughborough which has a better Athletics pedigree than most American universities could wish for. He got a degree in economics or business.
Rudisha went to school at St Patrick's with Brother Colm and was given an education whilst being coached by perhaps the best set up for developing distance athletes that exists on Earth. Leaving high school he had run 1:44 and was World u20 Champ.

Bekele likely didn't get the opportunity to go to university. So many Africans would take that opportunity if given it.

Bolt had already run 19.9 by time he was this kids age. World Junior champion and record holder. Totally different. He was good enough to win senior medals already.

A 15 year old boy ran 1:47 in the UK this year. It's not a pro time.


St Patrick’s is a secondary school.

Coe was coached by his Dad in college.

They didn’t go through the 3 season bonanza of the NCAA


Hoey is not close to Rudisha or Coe.
Stupid comparison.
Saruni, Korir, Murphy.
Each world class and each won NCAA before going pro.
It wasn't just about talent or pr's but learning how to race at the next level. 800 racing takes practice unlike HS racing can provide and Hoey isn't ready. Hunter wasn't either but longer distances are easier to work in to.
Drew Windle can barely get himself on a Diamond League start list and he was indoor champ. How's Hoey's dad going to get him in a race let alone a significant race.

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