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Scott Smith - over 2 minute PR at age 31.

vivalarepublica wrote:

unimpressed. wrote:

And yet sheep farming Dewi Griffiths goes with the leaders and nearly pulls a Steve Jones with his 2:09 debut.

Down with all this structured group training and pacing crap. We need more Americans running all out and going for it. All these 1:00-03 HM guys running 2:11-2:14 is a waste of talent.

Here is my question: How do these guys expect to run fast if the longest tempo they are doing before the race is like 15-16 miles? How do you expect to run 10 more miles at that pace when you haven't trained for it?

I mean they're doing 15-16 @ MP @ altitude in 120 mile weeks with another mid-week workout or two. You've run and trained for a marathon before right since you're asking that question? Rosario seems like a Hansons type coach all about cumulative fatigue but with more shorter intervals mixed into the marathon buildup. Anyways, what is the right number? Do you want 20-22 @ pace? The top Kenyans seem to do a lot of long runs at 90-95% MP. That's probably what their workouts come out to with a warmup + c/d w./ 15-16 @ pace.

Anyways, I thought this thread was about Scott Smith! He was due for a breakout. Been running a lot of tough courses and warm marathons. Clearly those are real factors to running a good time. He got cooler temps today but still some wind and ran a really good race. Good to see Faubs and Llano run well too. NAZ is really good for the sport. Public about their training and make it really easy to follow them on race day. Awesome work out there from all 3!

I do agree that there is more room for American runners to go 2:08-2:11 by having more people go for it. One factor has to be that two of the big domestic marathons, NYC & Boston, aren't the fastest. I think some faster times would have been run at the Trials had that race been somewhere with good weather. In 2012, in Houston, a lot of good races with everyone peaking for that one race on a fast course with good weather. Need to see something like that at future Olympic Trials. Yeah, there was more media attention (maybe) in LA but a lot of folks would have had a better chance to breakout running that race somewhere else.

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