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RE: Dr. Michael Joyner and LetsRun's Robert Johnson share their thoughts on what Eliud Kipchoge's 2:00:25 means

oh please wrote:

Exactly. I think a similar effort in Berlin might yield close to same results, mostly thanks to potentially even better weather by 5F or so, plus the added benefit of a race instead of a time trial. It would take money, but it shouldn't be totally out of the realm to get a team of guys to pace as long as they can at 60/half pace and see where it goes..

So do you want to bet on Berlin or not?

The idea that he'd run better in a "race with competition" is laughable. I saw some variant of that theory being proposed before the race. A woman on facebook on Sage Canaday's page was saying he wouldn't do as well because there was no "crowd." Go read "Scorecasting" people. Crowd doesn't have anything to do with it.

Does anyone remember London in 2016? The guys slowed down as they were worried about racing each other and cost themselves the world record.

The idea that a guy needs "a real race" to be motivated is laughable. I can only imagine the financial incentive he was going to get from Nike if he had broken 2:00:00. David Monti estimated he'd get between $1 and $1.5 million if he'd done it.

So you really think Kipchoge was racing at like 95% but then decided, "You know what I won't give it 100% because it's not a real race?" That's laughable. The idea that guys can simply try harder is laughable. If it's just a matter of willpower why wasn't everyone on this board a pro runner?

If a real race and crowd were factors, then a bunch of collegians wouldn't have run 3:37 in front of 50 people at Swarthmore last night.

You often run faster in time trials/practice than you do in a real race.

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