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curiously interested
RE: Robert Young fakes run across America

curiously interested wrote:

[quote]CoachKev wrote:

I can understand how Rob did his first few marathons and hear me out on this before you all go running your mouths off.....Of course I wasn't there so don't know the full story but here is my theory for what it's worth. Rob would have done his first marathon as a run just to finish it for his bet. He would have had no idea how it would affect him or not. It appears that it wasn't that stressful so he did his second one faster and so on. This is not a crazy thing and I see it often. People do hold back until they see what they can really do. I know Rob has a preferred speed that he runs at optimally.


No. Absolutely not. Not even remotely possible. You do not get off the coach and run your first marathon on a whim with no training and no prior marathon experience in 4:07, and then run a second one nine hours later in 3:28, and then a third one seven hours later in 3:19. All of this he quite plainly claims in his book. I explain that here:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=7355147&id=7362520#7362520
The times should deteriorate, not progress as Rob claims.

You can read Rob's own account of this in his book at:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Marathon-Man-One-Year-Marathons/dp/1471152871?ie=UTF8&redirect=true&tag=simonsacouk-21
Click on "Look Inside" and read it for yourself. Or you can go to the local bookstore and find it in the comedy section.

I'm not being stubborn to insist upon this. You would be a fool to even consider it a possibility.

I've seen data for only 3 certified marathons he has run (London 2015, 2016; Brighton 2016). He ran those in 3:07 (quite impressively in the midst of the Race Across the USA), 4:02, and 3:30, respectively. And yet, after first becoming a marathoner on a whim and untrained, he claims he was able to run a second and third marathon within the next 24 hours at times faster than two of those certified marathons he ran later.

Or to put it another way. The 30K run leg of his 2004 triathlon was run at a pace of 8:14/mile.
https://www.athlinks.com/Athletes/114076336/Race/24188953/Details
Yet, Rob claims he ran his second and third initial marathons at a pace FASTER than that. A 3:28 marathon is 7:56 pace per mile. A 3:19 marathon is 7:36 pace.

You say this is not a crazy thing that Rob claims and you've seen it often. Name one other person who ran similar times in a massive batch of 78 mile running on a whim with no training or no prior experience. Name one if you've seen it often.[/quote]

Further, regarding the ridiculous claim in his book that he ran his first three marathons on a whim untrained in a 30-hour period of time in 4:07, 3:28, 3:19. Look at this history of his races from runbritainsrankings that DMulvee pointed out on p. 33 of this thread. Look at all the 5K park runs and their dates. And look where I have inserted in bold where Rob claims he suddenly became a marathoner.

HM 91:12 Hampton Court Half Marathon 21 Feb 16
HM 99:52 Watford Half Marathon 7 Feb 16
HM 89:00 Putney & Fulham Riverside Half Marathon 18 Oct 15
parkrun 20:00 Fulham Palace parkrun # 107 17 Oct 15
Mar 3:12:22 MBNA Chester Marathon 4 Oct 15
HM 97:50 Morrisons Great North Run 13 Sep 15
parkrun 31:12 Old Deer Park parkrun # 239 1 Aug 15
Mar 3:07:40 Virgin London Marathon 26 Apr 15
Mar 4:43:44 Isle of Wight Marathon 12 Oct 14
Mar 4:23:06 Baxters Loch Ness Marathon 28 Sep 14
Mar 3:11:57 Thames Meander Marathon 23 Aug 14
parkrun 20:01 Richmond Park parkrun # 355 2 Aug 14
Mar 4:56:41 Bath Marathon 27 Jul 14
Mar 4:34:06 Giants Head Marathon 28 Jun 14
parkrun 20:38 Richmond Park parkrun # 348 14 Jun 14
Mar 3:56:32 Orpington Mara*fun Marathon 17 May 14
Mar 3:46:32 Halstead & Essex Marathon 11 May 14
parkrun 21:44 Richmond Park parkrun # 343 10 May 14
Mar 3:50:03 Milton Keynes Marathon 5 May 14
parkrun 21:09 Richmond Park parkrun # 342 3 May 14
parkrun 22:35 Richmond Park parkrun # 340 19 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 20 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 20 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 19 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 18 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 17 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 17 Apr 14
personal marathon in Richmond Park 16 Apr 14
personal marathon 3:19:xx (7:36/mile pace) in Richmond Park 15 Apr 14
personal marathon 3:28:xx (7:56/mile pace) in Richmond Park 14 Apr 14
personal marathon 4:07:xx (9:25/mile pace) in Richmond Park 14 Apr 14

parkrun 21:29 Old Deer Park parkrun # 166 1 Mar 14
parkrun 21:23 Old Deer Park parkrun # 164 15 Feb 14
parkrun 21:23 Old Deer Park parkrun # 163 8 Feb 14
parkrun 21:34 Old Deer Park parkrun # 162 1 Feb 14
parkrun 22:10 Old Deer Park parkrun # 161 25 Jan 14
parkrun 21:06 Old Deer Park parkrun # 160 18 Jan 14
parkrun 21:00 Old Deer Park parkrun # 159 11 Jan 14
parkrun 22:24 Old Deer Park parkrun # 158 4 Jan 14
parkrun 24:24 Old Deer Park parkrun # 156 21 Dec 13
parkrun 22:05 Old Deer Park parkrun # 155 14 Dec 13
parkrun 27:19 Old Deer Park parkrun # 154 7 Dec 13
parkrun 20:20 Old Deer Park parkrun # 153 30 Nov 13
parkrun 21:45 Old Deer Park parkrun # 152 23 Nov 13
parkrun 22:13 Old Deer Park parkrun # 151 16 Nov 13
parkrun 22:39 Old Deer Park parkrun # 149 2 Nov 13
parkrun 21:08 Old Deer Park parkrun # 146 12 Oct 13
parkrun 20:39 Old Deer Park parkrun # 145 5 Oct 13
parkrun 20:00 Crane parkrun # 66 21 Sep 13
parkrun 19:56 Crane parkrun # 64 7 Sep 13
parkrun 18:55 Old Deer Park parkrun # 140 31 Aug 13
parkrun 20:21 Old Deer Park parkrun # 138 17 Aug 13
parkrun 20:09 Old Deer Park parkrun # 137 3 Aug 13
parkrun 21:08 Old Deer Park parkrun # 136 27 Jul 13
parkrun 19:37 Old Deer Park parkrun # 135 20 Jul 13
parkrun 19:46 Old Deer Park parkrun # 134 13 Jul 13
parkrun 19:49 Old Deer Park parkrun # 133 6 Jul 13
parkrun 19:54 Old Deer Park parkrun # 132 29 Jun 13
parkrun 19:15 Old Deer Park parkrun # 131 22 Jun 13
parkrun 20:27 Old Deer Park parkrun # 130 15 Jun 13
parkrun 24:26 Old Deer Park parkrun # 129 8 Jun 13
parkrun 19:38 Old Deer Park parkrun # 128 1 Jun 13
parkrun 19:27 Crane parkrun # 49 25 May 13
parkrun 20:14 Old Deer Park parkrun # 127 18 May 13
parkrun 19:33 Old Deer Park parkrun # 125 20 Apr 13
parkrun 20:00 Old Deer Park parkrun # 124 13 Apr 13
parkrun 20:03 Old Deer Park parkrun # 123 6 Apr 13
parkrun 20:03 Old Deer Park parkrun # 121 23 Mar 13
parkrun 20:27 Old Deer Park parkrun # 120 16 Mar 13
parkrun 21:25 Old Deer Park parkrun # 119 9 Mar 13
parkrun 21:34 Old Deer Park parkrun # 118 2 Mar 13
parkrun 22:17 Old Deer Park parkrun # 117 23 Feb 13
parkrun 22:35 Old Deer Park parkrun # 116 16 Feb 13
parkrun 21:58 Old Deer Park parkrun # 115 9 Feb 13
parkrun 24:36 Old Deer Park parkrun # 112 19 Jan 13
parkrun 22:02 Old Deer Park parkrun # 110 5 Jan 13
parkrun 21:38 Old Deer Park parkrun # 109 29 Dec 12
parkrun 22:23 Old Deer Park parkrun # 108 22 Dec 12
parkrun 23:23 Old Deer Park parkrun # 107 15 Dec 12
parkrun 21:10 Old Deer Park parkrun # 106 8 Dec 12
parkrun 21:30 Old Deer Park parkrun # 105 1 Dec 12
parkrun 20:43 Old Deer Park parkrun # 104 24 Nov 12
parkrun 21:30 Old Deer Park parkrun # 103 17 Nov 12
parkrun 20:45 Old Deer Park parkrun # 101 27 Oct 12
parkrun 19:33 Old Deer Park parkrun # 100 20 Oct 12
parkrun 20:00 Old Deer Park parkrun # 99 13 Oct 12
parkrun 19:30 Old Deer Park parkrun # 98 6 Oct 12
parkrun 19:23 Old Deer Park parkrun # 97 29 Sep 12
parkrun 19:16 Old Deer Park parkrun # 96 22 Sep 12
parkrun 20:01 Old Deer Park parkrun # 95 15 Sep 12
parkrun 20:07 Old Deer Park parkrun # 94 8 Sep 12
parkrun 20:19 Old Deer Park parkrun # 93 1 Sep 12
parkrun 20:25 Old Deer Park parkrun # 90 11 Aug 12
parkrun 19:55 Old Deer Park parkrun # 89 4 Aug 12
parkrun 20:36 Old Deer Park parkrun # 87 21 Jul 12
parkrun 20:20 Richmond parkrun # 226 25 Feb 12
parkrun 20:42 Richmond parkrun # 225 18 Feb 12
parkrun 20:11 Bedfont parkrun # 141 11 Feb 12
parkrun 19:56 Bedfont parkrun # 139 28 Jan 12
parkrun 20:37 Bedfont parkrun # 138 21 Jan 12
parkrun 19:01 Bedfont parkrun # 137 14 Jan 12
parkrun 24:43 Black Park parkrun # 85 26 Feb 11
parkrun 20:53 Black Park parkrun # 50 26 Jun 10
parkrun 21:44 Black Park parkrun # 36 20 Mar 10
parkrun 21:19 Black Park parkrun # 33 27 Feb 10
parkrun 21:18 Black Park parkrun # 32 20 Feb 10

Where do you see any trend that suddenly Rob Young should become an instant marathoner on April 14, 2014 to be able to run 3 marathons in a 30-hour period of time in 4:07, 3:28, 3:19. Yet that's what he claims in the book. But in the months preceding this miraculous period of marathoning, he was consistently a 21-minute 5K runner (6:56), but then suddenly is able to get near that pace (7:36 pace) for the last 26.2 miles of a sudden explosion of 78 miles in a 30-hour time period on April 14-15, 2014.

Maybe he did 3 long runs (15? 16? 18? 20? miles) on April 14-15, 2014 but not 26.2 miles each.

Or maybe he did "run" 26.2 three separate times on those days, but not in 4:07, 3:28, 3:19.

And maybe he was marathon training secretly and privately before April 14 and then did either one or both of the other possible things I just mentioned.

But a mediocre 5K runner named Rob Young did not suddenly and instantly run 3 marathons on a whim without training in 4:07, 3:28, 3:19 in a 30-hour period of time. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and especially when the person claiming it has distorted, exaggerated, and falsified other personal information.

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