False Equivalence wrote:
Joan Samuelson won an Olympic Gold. Last I checked Ryan Hall DNFd in his last Olympics. Samuelson, coming off knee surgery two weeks prior, qualified for the team and the won the Gold three months later.
Then there's this...
"She would only break 2:36 once again in her career â€“ and that didnâ€™t happen for another six years (2:26:54 in Boston in 1991)."
First of all 4th at Boston in an incredibly tight finish between 2nd and 4th is not something to be so easily dismissed. Secondly, what about '88 and '91 New York? Last I checked 2:33 and 2:36 were under 2:36 and 3rd and 6th seem pretty elite to me.
If you can say Ryan Hall and Joanie are equal, I think we might as well just say everyone else is equal too as it's a slippery slope to giving the same status to any marathon finisher...or DNF apparently.
FIrst a correction. Our results database was missing the 2:33. I looked at another database and she also did run 2:32:20 in 1992 so we've changed the article to say she only ran under 2:32 (not 2:36) once again.
The article is pretty clear. We're not saying that Ryan's DNF is the equivalent of an Olympic gold. Nor are we saying his 10th in 2008 is an Olympic gold.
We're simply saying they are equal in the sense they were great up until 28 or 29 and then not nearly as good. Yes 4th in Boston isn't bad but the facts are she only once ran within 11 minuts of her 2:21:21 pb after the age of 28.
So many people act like Hall's struggles are unprecendented or that he's some giant head case. We're just saying, "Stop with the nonsense" - Joanie struggled in many of the same ways after 1985.
The biggest difference is Joanie could run 11 minutes off her pb and almost make another Olympic team in 1992. Ryan can't.