Well congrats to "A Duck" for posting 30 times on this thread since midnight.
This clearly for you is not about having a discussion but about all of us agreeing with your viewpoint. It's just not going to happen. Apparently we are all supposed to know magically the athletes it is ok to ask questions about and how many questions it is ok to ask.
You have not given any guidelines on how we are supposed to magically determine which discussions should or should not be allowed. Apparently limited Maklouhfi discussions are ok, but only in a limited manner.
On on top of that somehow we are supposed to determine the veracity of posts. You act like we're supposed to be able to determine whether a post is true or false. That is much easier said than done. We have said with doping threads we will have a more hands off approach. The pro athletes who make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on the sport I think can handle it.
Now onto one point.
[quote]A Duck wrote:
One at a time: I dare you to answer 100% honestly.
>1. You allowed immature and hateful people to personally attack Rupp as "g_y" because of his first name. You let it go on for years. You both even posted on the same threads without deleting those kinds of personal attacks on the guy. You allowed it to happen when he was technically a child in high school. At that time you also let people accuse him of being on PEDS. You allowed a hate crime type culture of hate to foster here. You did nothing to stop it for years.
Why no Zero Tolerance towards hate crime level personal attacks on this kid for years?
First of all, people making immature jokes about Galen Rupp's name is not a hate crime. Let's get a little perspective here.
I disagree with the poster who implied we should let such posts stay up. We try and have a certain level of discourse and homophobic posts are not something we want on here. I won't discuss this point too much but I see the posts as being more hurtful to gays than Galen Rupp. It's not the perfect analogy as sexuality is a very personal subject, but if I call you blonde and you have brown hair you're not going to be offended unless there is something wrong with having blonde air. I think the same thing applies to the "GAY"len Rupp posts.
I wish people had not made these posts. We removed them when we were made aware of them. We have over the years continued to implement better moderation techniques but have never pre-screened posts and don't intend to start.
So "we allowed" people to post whatever they wanted. That is how a message board works. Just like in any community online or real, there are trouble makers. And some of them posted the immature posts referenced. Since we don't pre-screen posts, people read them. When things worked well our moderators were made aware of them and they were deleted.
The Rupp posts continued in high volume even with our moderators deleting them and too many were falling through the cracks, so we decided to go one step further. Years ago we implemented a filter so the words "Gay" and "Rupp" could not be posted in the same post. If you wanted to post about Tyson Gay and Galen Rupp in the same thread it could not be done. This is the only athlete we have ever implemented such a filter for.
We removed this filter in the past year because someone wrote wondering why there post wasn't working and I realized it was because it was talking about Tyson Gay and Galen Rupp. Since then we have not had as many problems.
"A Duck" says I posted on these threads where these posts existed. I have no idea of knowing this but I don't pretend to read every post in a thread I post on so it is possible.
I believe most of the letsrun community does not want people making homophobic remarks about an athlete. I believe most people can also see that these are immature trouble makers. Just like when I'm reading an article on the Washington Post and I see some hateful comments in the comments section. People are able to not give this speech too much thought. Would it be better if the posts didn't occur? Yes. Is that how things are going to work with an open forum? No.
The space below is for your Personal Apology To Galen Rupp And his Family
I generally don't comment on my personal interactions with athletes and/or coaches and I love how you now speak for Galen and his family.
I personally apologized to Galen in Edinburgh a couple of years ago right after he got married because I heard he was upset that someone on here had found his online wedding website and linked to it. I don't have a problem with that as a public figure with a public website can expect people to find it. Ie I don't have a problem linking to Derek Jeter's wedding website. What I didn't know was the comment section on Galen's website was open and people made posts on it. We were made aware of this and removed the thread. The comments I saw were more clever than distasteful more along the lines of "Hey I'll still beat you" - Josh McDougal, but if I was getting married I wouldn't want my personal site infiltrated that way. So I apologized to him for the trouble as I had heard from people close to him he didn't like it.
Similarly, one of the reasons we implemented the "gay" and "rupp" filter was we heard from Vin Lananna and Alberto about it. They said we needed to do a better job on combatting the posts. So we took things a step further and pre-screened out these posts when that is not our traditional policy.
We don't pretend to be perfect here at letsrun.com and like getting feedback. This is an open forum, there are going to be trouble makers. That is one of the drawbacks of an open forum. We are aware of that.
And one more point, just because I may ask athletes and/or coaches questions privately or publicly about drugs does not mean that fans can't come on here and discuss whether they think someone is or is not doping. That's what you are missing "A Duck". The guy who started this thread said he thinks Galen is clean, he just wants to discuss it and people to ask questions. I think that is appropriate.[/quote]
Your arguments are disingenuous at best and at worse the usual delusional idiocy.
>>> Let's get a little perspective here. People have done worse than JUST make immature homophobic jokes about Rupp's name.
And btw, Speaking UP for Rupp and his family, is not speaking "for" them. (Are you really that stupid?) --Anyone who saw Rupp interviewed by Flotrack when he expressed his feelings about this board -- should damned well speak UP for him or ANYONE treated as you allowed him to be treated here for years.
Your replies just prove my contentions about you.
"We don't pretend to be perfect?" You don't even try to be good, let alone excellent, let alone professional. Dude, you have an archive going back ten years of people treating elites like sht on this board. EVERY NATURE OF PERSONAL ATTACK HAS BEEN ALLOWED. In the interim, the entire Internet has changed. 1997 called and it wants your graphic design back. BY AND LARGE, legitimate news sites on any subject...has made their message boards far more civil. And you are in a small sport where everyone knows everyone, THAT is the real message you should get from Lauren Fleshman. That they all tell each other to stay away. The sport is so small that any name runner searched on google is going to get hits frm this website and what do new fans learn? The worst of internet behavior...and it is associated with our sport.
Do you really think that the apology for the wedding site covered it all??? Really??
And here is the Entire Disconnect with you, with out your permitting a culture of hate to exist on your website, no one would have jumped from that link and posted on Rupp's wedding site. Additional Disconnect -- is that you are so juvenile and idiotic that while touting your apology, you go on to describe what you thought was "clever" in the comments on Rupp's wedding site...that he obviously didn't think was cool. You don't get to make that call. Your immature narcissism tells you that in some weird effed up world you think that is okay to comment on.
If he thinks it is uncool, you might have had the class to keep that private, and you can certainly delete your post and mine -- but I want some other people to know exactly how Low Class You Are. And that is exactly the problem. You don't get how low class you and your brother have been with this website for ten+ years.
It's not about logical, fair, sober discussions.
It is about all the gross and totally inappropriate personal attacks you allow.
1. Rupp and his family and his coaches knew what you were permitting here for years -- you think it caused them joy?? You should apologize for not stepping in and moderating, deleting, and filtering sooner.
2. Why do you think you heard from Lananna and Salazar??? Because of your good community citizenship???
3. Why aren't you and your brother better journalist-citizens?
4. You keep posting idiotic and distracting defenses (Rupp is an individual human being, not the Dallas Cowboys or Auburn.)
5. You are an Adult, Weldon, you know your website, when you go onto a thread about Rupp, based on past results and behavior here, you should scan the thread and clean it up.
6. Patrick White didn't start this thread because he thought Rupp was clean. Patrick White started a thread out of being an overly emotional -- probably well meaning dude -- who didn't think it through.
He could just have easily started a thread listing out Rupp's progression and training changes over the last 3 years and how it lines up -- as others have pointed out.
What did your brother do? Post selective pieces of Rupp's progression, and then stop when it stopped fitting his agenda.
Superhot on LR Today: Goucher Slams Salazar.
REALLY, and you don't have the agenda I have claimed you have for YEARS?
Read that thread, most of the posts are on how Goucher's quotes are not a slam, and then, lol, the interviewer comes on and explains that Goucher was not slamming Salazar.
You guys have been in denial for a long time.
People are tired of it.
You got SLAMMED on your Lance thread a few weeks ago, and you ran like a pansy and deleted the WHOLE THREAD.
Let's take a look at that. You tout how you are so teflon that you could take being accused of being a PED user on this board yourself.
But, when half a dozen people start to call you out for ten years of trash behavior with these message boards...you ran and deleted the thread.
I truly wish you had the balls to restore that thread, or at least the posts of all the people that Called You Out that night.
Someday -- y'know -- in your case it might take until you are 70 -- you're going to look back at the extended adolescence that has been your years with these "World Famous Message Boards" -- and it's gonna click in your head and heart "...oh my God, what aholes we were back then."