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Nobby
RE: LYDIARD OR DANIELS?
Timan:

I thought the situation was that Cerutty said something like no Kiwi had broken 28 minutes for 6 miles and that pi$$ed Arthur off (knowing Halberg was well capable of doing so). Arthur talked about it in Run to the Top on the topic of warming-up--it was cold windy day and he had Halberg put olive oil on his legs to keep him warm. He did break 28 minutes but can't remember the exact time. By the way, thinks for sending me those pictures. Cute baby--I don't know about the guy with 5 o'clock shadow, though! ;o) Congrats...and how's life?

Wellnow:

That was a great post that you shared. Thank you. I'm the one who said that Arthur "knew just enough to be dangerous" (per Dr. Martin which I agree) on this board. In fact, way back in 1986, when I met with Dr. Dick Telford, he explained to me what his interpretation of Arthur's "anaerobic training". It was when Arthur came to the US in the 70s when he got "baptized" with terms like aerobic and anaerobic. He went back to NZ and started talking like that. (Kim should know this) And Bill Baillie said, "Coach, you mean, fast stuff and slow stuff?" I'm sure it was so much easier for Arthur to simply say "when you are running slow enough, that's aerobic; but if you start to run fast, that's anaerobic." I'm still intrigued with the effect of 50/50. So are you actually saying body's pH doesn't even change as you engage in some heavy "fast" running?

Wetcoast:

Seriously, after reading wellnow's comment, that really got me thinking... I think it may be safe to say what Arthur termed "anaerobic training" is oxygen debt training. I don't think anybody would argue (except for maybe Richard Gibbens) that, as the work load intensity goes up, the demand of oxygen sky-rockets. When it goes beyond our ability to exercise aerobically (or if this terminology is incorrect, maybe "when the demand of oxygen surpasses body's ability to take in, transport and utilize oxygen"), then you'll start to accumulate oxygen debt. I guess my question is--what happens to the body and what's happening inside the body when you get this debt?

Interestingly, over the years when I've been associated with some of the top Japanese marathon runenrs and coaches, I have hardly ever heard the term "anaerobic training". They talk about "aerobic base building" all the time; but they hardly see the training in terms of aerobic-anaerobic. I don't know if it's because they don't quite understand (as I) or they don't quite dive a damn; but certainly, not talking too deeply about it haven't hurt them much....in terms of marathon training. Now, as I've mentioned before, I'm bringing Peter Snell to Japan to have Lydiard/middle distance training lecture tour in March. I'm very much looking forward to it; not just to have these clinics; but also to learn about what THEY are doing with middle distance training. One thing I've noticed, again, is that they don't really talk about "anaerobic training" but they do a lot of it! Well, okay, not "anaerobic" training; but lots of oxygen debt type workouts throughout the year simply because they think "they need more speed". As we all know, Japanese middle distance, well, sucks.

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