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Replying to Lickety Split (post #101). View original post.

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2018 NCAA "American Only" Cross Country Results (Men)

Lickety Split

OK, Lickety Split’s consolidating this thread to increase the “signal-to-noise” ratio …the “noise” being the Lets Run “unregistered posters” that demand the equivalent of a “safe space” because the truth hurtstheir feelings & BYU apologetics creating both separate “Wailing Wall” threads & personal memoirs. For those rationalist Patriots …. by that I mean, those that appreciate American NCAA athletes w/Lickety. The following pertains:

I. Team Championships

#1 Colorado (A)

#2 Stanford

#3 Washington

# 4 Colorado State (A)

#5 NC State

II. Individuals

(1) Grant Fisher .... Stanford

(2) Isai Rodriguez ... OK State

(3) Aaron Templeton ... Furman (IND)

(4) Tyler Day ... NAU (A)

(5) Joe Klecker ... Colorado (A)

(6) John Dressel ... Colorado (A)

(7) Connor Mantz ... BYU (A)/Mission

(8) Ryan Forsyth ... Colorado (A)

(9) Alex Ostberg ... Stanford

(10) Peter Seufer ... Va Tech (IND)

(11) Tanner Anderson ...Washington

(12) Paul Roberts ... Wyoming (A)

(13) Luis Grijalva ... NAU (A)

(14) Connor McMillan ... BYU (A)

(15) Logan Orndof ... Portland

(16) Blaise Ferro …. NAU

(17) Ashenafi Hatte ... OK State

(18) Addison Dehaven ... Boise State (A)*

(19) Peter Lomong ... NAU (A)

(20) Alek Parsons ... Stanford

(21) Brad Demarest ... Virginia (IND)

(22) Danny Kilrea ... Notre Dame (IND)

(23) Clayson Shumway ... BYU (A)/Mission

(24) John Aho ... Michigan

(25) Waleed Suliman ... Ole Miss

(26) Thibebu Procter ... Washington

(27) Nick Hauger … Portland

(28) Carson Hume …. Colorado State (A)

(29) Eduardo Herrera … Colorado (A)

(30) Riley Campbell … Boise State (A)*

(31) Andrew Jordan … Iowa State

(32) Kyle Mau …. Indiana

(33) Jacob Hesslington … BYU (A)

(34) Aidan Reed …. Southern Utah (A)

(35) Kyle Mattes … Illinois State (IND)

(36) NICK WAREHAM … Georgetown

(37) Ian Shanklin … NC State

(38) Olin Hacker … Wisconsin

(39) Fred Huxman … Washington

(40) Yared Nuguse .... Notre Dame

III. For you HS Seniors out there .... this is really how you have to look at the programs results this year:

1) Altitude/Mountain Teams ..... pretty much "Rocky Mountain High!"

1 Northern Arizona

2 BYU

3 Colorado

9 Colorado St.

10 Boise State

12 Wyoming

20 Air Force

21 Southern Utah

2) AMORICA'S TEAMS: Those programs that will never win again because they don't go after foreigners & have ARE NOT at altitude, but have great academics. Old Dynastys!

5 Stanford

6 Washington

11 North Carolina St.

14 Notre Dame

18 Indiana

22 Princeton

24 Bradley

29 Purdue

3) TOKEN FOREIGNERS REQUIRED: Those programs that will win again & do give American's scholarships, but require ANZAC or "Rift Valley Express" reinforcements.

3 Portland

7 Iowa State

8 Wisconsin

13 Oklahoma State

26 Syracuse

4) ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN! The Balanced T&F/XC Programs = Limited Scholarships!

15 Oregon

19 Michigan

25 Arkansas

27 Texas

31 Florida State

5) The GLOBALISTS! Your probably "walking on"!

16 Eastern Kentucky

17 Ole Miss

23 Villanova

28 Iona

30 Tulsa

That said, here's further analysis for all you high school seniors and aspiring JUCO middle-distance & long-distance runners on Lickety's Evaluation Criteria in priority order based upon recent Cross-Country Championships.

#1 Altitude. You have to go there given the 35% statistic & that the LDS/Rift Valley Boys grew up in them thar hills. This competitive advantage significantly limits your college choices .... particularly East Coast: not even sure if Appy State hits 3K. Again, .... GEOGRAPHY MATTERS for your NCAA career. It's beyond me why New Mexico & NAU have to recruit Brits & ANZACs .... furthermore, why Colorado College, Nevada-Reno, UTEP, St Johns, etc. haven't figured this out & invested in their programs I don't know. Savvy Coaches move their teams to altitude during the pre-season & Fall semester while simultaneously having their teams study on-line or via cooperative agreement.

#2 Altitude Coaches ... if these dudes feel that they have to recruit foreigners then maybe they're really not that good of coaches after all. Or, American runners haven’t embraced altitude’s competitive advantage.

#3 Medical ... count on getting hurt wherever you are: most REGULAR Americans know that they have only 4-5 years to give it a go before graduation OR the young dudes try to hang w/the LDS & Foreign 26 year-olds & get hurt. You need a school that can take care of you when you get banged up!

#4 Team ... you're going to have a better chance at making the NCAAs on a Cross-Country team than via individual times both indoor or outdoor: particularly if you're dealing with those that train at ALTITUDE. Furthermore, don’t get wrapped up w/programs that desire to become “all-around” …. that’s code for reducing support to middle-d/long-distance scholarships or going after high-scoring individual foreigners. Ex. Cheserek & Oregon.

#5 Academics .... again, if you want to focus on academics then it's UNLIKELY you'll either be competitive for the national championships. Please see my previous note about AMORICA'S TEAMS .... they'll never win again & their best won’t be successful post-collegiate until they move to altitude. Furthermore, if you're smart enough to get into those schools you'll likely receive academic scholarships to places like NAU, Adams State, UTEP, Boise State, etc. This free’s up opportunities for other athletes that make both YOU & your TEAM better.

#6 Facilities .... the most OVERRATED criteria that folks like AMORICA's TEAMS will try to promote. Great locker-rooms, WIFI everywhere, stupid BS like that which has nothing to do w/making you faster.

Other Take-Aways

Isai Rodriguez …. WOW!!!

Coach Wetmore …. WOW!!!

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