Donovan Brazier - Speed guy/no long runs - ?!

It's talent - no more complicated than that. Read about Abdi's first race in CC sometime - after a couple *weeks* of training he was under 16 for 5k at his first race. If Abdi (obviously not a 'speed guy') could do that in a couple weeks, 15:25 for 5k in high school is certainly possible after a couple years of low-miles 400/800 meter training.

trackislife12 wrote:

Pretty sure vshui is either a troll or stupid, not sure which one.

why? contribute to the discussion instead of useless posts like this which add nothing.

MayASK wrote:

I always hear how Brazier never ran more than 40min, that he's never been an endurance guy more of a sprinter etc.

Yet he has a 15:25 5000m PR, set in High-School.

These claim don't sound right given this 5k time.

How well do we know how and what Brazier trains? After the indoor AR he said that he does distance/endurance workouts together with the (ex)NOP group but skips some repeats because he lacks the endurance to do as much as e.g. Engels or Jenkins. There are pretty effective workouts for middle-distance endurance (such as Vo2 max or even somewhat slower) without doing >1 hour long runs or lots of mileage.

i was at the event in Azusa when he ran 3:37. he just tucked in the pack and kicked at the end. it was a glorious race. no conspiracy just badassery!

Jo72 wrote:

How well do we know how and what Brazier trains? After the indoor AR he said that he does distance/endurance workouts together with the (ex)NOP group but skips some repeats because he lacks the endurance to do as much as e.g. Engels or Jenkins. There are pretty effective workouts for middle-distance endurance (such as Vo2 max or even somewhat slower) without doing >1 hour long runs or lots of mileage.

this.

would we consider someone who allegedly runs 35 mpw a low mileage guy? for sure.

but the meaning of circuit training and plyos is forgotten. another example: rudolf harbig. everyone thinks he only trained three or four times a week and is a prime example of low mileage success. but he cycled to work every day (control of electricity meters, gas and water meters) and considered the quick (!!!) climbing of stairs over several floors as an important training.

[So, we can run all of our mileage right at threshold and still run relatively small volumes (see the Thousand Oaks Hs teams of the 90s.) and have success. It’s difficult to do that without injury and without going too hard, getting stale, etc.

https://www.coacheseducation.com/xc/jack_farrell_july_00.php[/quote

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Interesting article

One thing we need to take into account is the American High school system races a ton. Those races are your hard days so you really don’t need to add many or any hard days to them to reach max. Also, 6-8 miles a day is very different than 12-14 miles in regards to recover because of glycogen depletion. Therefore a high schooler can thrive off of every day running moderately paced 6-7 milers and just racing. Now if a high schooler was ruining 14-15 miles a day they would need to pace that slower or if they would get fried.