78-yr-old barber in Snohomish, WA re-opened shop last weekend in defiance of governor's stay-at-home order

dunes runner wrote:

Seattle Grey Hair wrote:

Emulating people who believe conspiracy theories isn't a route I'd recommend.

Which is why people don't listen to morons like you.

But I haven't espoused a conspiracy theory here. Reflexive contradiction may be fun for you, but it does reveal you to be an idiot.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

And when this barber gets coronavirus and dies, his family will expect sympathy and be angry when people mock him. At least he’ll die doing what he loves, cutting hair.

And dunes runner will say the doctors killed him.

Pants are a-burning wrote:

You cannot go around and spread your lethal crap just because you want a haircut.

Truth can be lethal to fascists, and is certainly a threat to morons as well.

Seattle Grey Hair wrote:

[quote]dunes runner wrote:

Good for him! He's a great example for others to emulate.

Emulating people who believe conspiracy theories isn't a route I'd recommend. Gates isn't an Inslee backer and isn't pulling Inslee's strings. Like a lot of Governors, Inslee is following the lead of scientists trained at the CDC. So is Trump (to a degree).

Yeah right. All the governors came up with the same plan at the same time.

Just like all the mayors decided to shut down Occupy Wall Street at the same time a few years back.

No orders coming from above. Pure coincidence. Makes sense

Seattle Grey Hair wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

And when this barber gets coronavirus and dies, his family will expect sympathy and be angry when people mock him. At least he’ll die doing what he loves, cutting hair.

And dunes runner will say the doctors killed him.

John Hopkins study estimates medical mistakes kill 250,000 to 425,000 Americans very year.

So if you guess a death was due to the doctors or to this virus, the odds are on your side anywhere from 3 to 1 to 6 to 1.

Fax Crappers wrote:

So we should see a direct correlation between countries with fewer doctors having longer life spans.........right?

Yes.

Of the 32 major countries, the cost of medical care in the U.S. is the highest.

But the average life span of people in the U.S. is right at the bottom.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

And when this barber gets coronavirus and dies, his family will expect sympathy and be angry when people mock him. At least he’ll die doing what he loves, cutting hair.

At least you show your true colors, that this lockdown is not about saving lives, nor caring for people.

Seattle Grey Hair wrote:

And dunes runner will say the doctors killed him.

People like you, assassins of the healthy populations.

You can't stand it when people are healthy, happy, and making their own positive choices in life.

let them open wrote:

If a barber wants to open his shop, he has the right. If people want to go get their hair cut at his shop, they have the right. If you are too scared to leave the house, you have the right to stay home.

If I want to open a shop that sells heroin, then I have that right. If people want to come buy my heroin, then they have that right. I like how this works.

Because heroin is equivalent to a hair cut. You got me.

Barber Bob decided to open his shop once the Sheriff of Snohomish County, Adam Fortney, made the statement that he wouldn't arrest anyone for defying the ban. That gave Barber Bob the green light to break the ban knowing he won't be arrested and/or cited.

Now if Barber Bob tests positive he will only have himself to blame.

michael furey wrote:

Thread Follower wrote:

That must be the case since my neighbor has had several medical procedures put on hold since the local hospital wants to keep it ready for the influx of covid patients they have been waiting for going on five weeks now. What a great health care system we have!

It is as much to protect patients from acquiring infection in the hospital and to reduce spread as to prepare for an oncoming onslaught. Hospitals are acting against their own self interest (elective procedures and surgeries are the only thing that keep them making money, almost every other service is a financial loser) in order to protect the public.

Hospitals do that every flu season. They should already know how to protect their patients. If all the hospitals go out of business waiting for covid patients, then all the sick people will die.

dunes runner wrote:

Seattle Grey Hair wrote:

And dunes runner will say the doctors killed him.

People like you, assassins of the healthy populations.

You can't stand it when people are healthy, happy, and making their own positive choices in life.

If there is no virus, what is killing these people? They can't breathe and they die. Is it air pollution, dunes runner? And, of course, the people get sick before they seek treatment, so it isn't the doctors making them sick.

And I'm not assassinating anyone. I'm not a doctor and I not in a position to make decisions regarding social distancing or business closings.

Giles Corey wrote:

Seattle Grey Hair wrote:

[quote]dunes runner wrote:

Good for him! He's a great example for others to emulate.

Emulating people who believe conspiracy theories isn't a route I'd recommend. Gates isn't an Inslee backer and isn't pulling Inslee's strings. Like a lot of Governors, Inslee is following the lead of scientists trained at the CDC. So is Trump (to a degree).

Yeah right. All the governors came up with the same plan at the same time.

Just like all the mayors decided to shut down Occupy Wall Street at the same time a few years back.

No orders coming from above. Pure coincidence. Makes sense

Governors came up with a similar plans because medical experts were recommending them, not because someone 'higher up' was dictating it. Perish the thought that Trump would show leadership like that.

Should you be in DC looking for a basement in the pizza place?

Not to support any such argument, but it turns out to be at least reasonable to say that medical mistakes cost between 250,000 and 440,000 deaths per year, third leading cause of death. The Johns Hopkins study puts it at 250,000; others put it higher. Part of the reason is a fragmented system in which a lot of drugs are prescribed, leading to many deaths due to interactions and the doctors not realizing what else their patients may be taking. Some are due to the fact that prescription drugs are compounded not by pharmacists in many cases but less qualified pharmacy technicians, according to this article.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

bad with numbers wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

And no attempt by the governor to overrule? This is the way to go, then. A dictator with no iron-fist to crush dissent will cave right away in the face of mass disobedience.

Mass disobedience, lol, you’re stuck inside all day and night posting nonsense on a running forum.

0 for 2 fool! I ignored the "quarantine" from the start.

It's a little difficult to get into some other indoor places, but at least I know where I can get a haircut now.

I can tell you fear the rising tide of insurrection here. At some point it will outweigh your paranoia about viruses. You'll be calling for military intervention. After it fails, we'll imprison you.

Bad Wigins wrote:

bad with numbers wrote:

Mass disobedience, lol, you’re stuck inside all day and night posting nonsense on a running forum.

0 for 2 fool! I ignored the "quarantine" from the start.

It's a little difficult to get into some other indoor places, but at least I know where I can get a haircut now.

I can tell you fear the rising tide of insurrection here. At some point it will outweigh your paranoia about viruses. You'll be calling for military intervention. After it fails, we'll imprison you.

How are you on predicting the numbers? A joke figure.

There’s nothing I fear about a clown whose limited to Cosplatriot chat on a running forum.

You’ll imprison fvcking no one you oddball.

Bad Wigins wrote:

bad with numbers wrote:

Mass disobedience, lol, you’re stuck inside all day and night posting nonsense on a running forum.

0 for 2 fool! I ignored the "quarantine" from the start.

It's a little difficult to get into some other indoor places, but at least I know where I can get a haircut now.

I can tell you fear the rising tide of insurrection here. At some point it will outweigh your paranoia about viruses. You'll be calling for military intervention. After it fails, we'll imprison you.

Come into the real world you weird fantasist.

zxvczxcv wrote:

Not to support any such argument, but it turns out to be at least reasonable to say that medical mistakes cost between 250,000 and 440,000 deaths per year, third leading cause of death. The Johns Hopkins study puts it at 250,000; others put it higher. Part of the reason is a fragmented system in which a lot of drugs are prescribed, leading to many deaths due to interactions and the doctors not realizing what else their patients may be taking. Some are due to the fact that prescription drugs are compounded not by pharmacists in many cases but less qualified pharmacy technicians, according to this article.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

It should be noted that this review misstates its conclusions. 250,000 patients did not die as a direct result of medical errors. Instead, 250,000 patients who died had medical errors in their care that contributed to their deaths. For example, if cardiac catheterization was delayed erroneously and a patient later died, they were categorized as a patient for whom a medical error contributed to their death. That is not to say that they would not have died whether the error was not made. The number of patients whose death could be solely attributed to a medical error could thus be lower, and in fact was likely much lower.

As another example, a patient I saw on my surgery rotation had a pneumothorax that was initially missed on imaging. The patient later died. This patient would have been included in the 250,000 figure. However, the patient also had stage IV cancer and a life expectancy measured in months. This patient's pneumothorax was also identified and treated days later, and died about a month after that. Although the medical error did likely contribute to his death, it would be a stretch to claim that he died as a direct result of medical error, even though this study would have categorized him as such.