Just for fun, we did a little faux-serious report on a 71-year-old runner who is looking to go sub-1:30 in the half-marathon and 40-flat in the 10K.
Here he ran 3 x 1600m in Pegasus Turbo and 3 x 1600m in the Next%.
He also did other workouts one with the Brooks Racer TS 5 10 x 800m.....
https://athleticsillustrated.com/nike-next-test-run-71-year-old-joseph-camilleri-compares-nike-pegasus-to-nike-next-in-track-session/
Vaporfly/Next%/Alphafly - Elite vs. Amateur
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800 dude wrote:
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At paces around 7 min/mile they provide about a 20s/mile benefit.
Lol, no. You may feel fast in them, which inspires you to run harder than you would in other shoes, but the actual benefit is a few seconds per mile.
Now, if you are running in non-Vaporfly shoes at a pace that's too fast, then you're likely to blow up and lose a ton of time. If Vaporflys would have made that pace appropriate, then the total effect on your time could be a lot bigger. But that's a different issue.
What are you comparing to? Compared to trainers they are 100% at least 10s/mile faster for the same effort level (at 7 minute miles).
Maybe compared to 150g flats the difference is only 'a few seconds'.
Whether there is a pace that is too slow for them to benefit, I don't know. I've never ran slower than 7:30 in them, but every time I have my perceived effort compared to trainers has been about 10-20s faster than normal.
My point, anyway, was that they aren't fine-tuned to elites' MP. They provide at least a similar percentage benefit at slower paces. -
The 71-year-old (above) was 4.5 seconds faster per 1600m interval in the Next % vs the Pegasus which is a racing flat. I would assume that the difference in a basic trainer would be a couple of seconds at least greater. Also, using the Brooks Racer ST 5 in an 800m workout there was a whopping six seconds faster average result in the Next %.....
Not a perfect demonstration, as his 1600m repetitions were all over the place, an elite athlete will bang them off much more consistently. Also, I am guessing here, but the belief or placebo effect may be magnified by switching shoe mid-workout. Also, the Next % was the second shoe each time, meaning, he was well warmed up to the effort once he had the Next % on......but we just had fun with it rather than taking it seriously..... -
There was a shoe years ago that was meant to last 150 miles then that was it - Nike Mayfly - anyone have these?
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Wet Coast wrote:
The 71-year-old (above) was 4.5 seconds faster per 1600m interval in the Next % vs the Pegasus which is a racing flat. I would assume that the difference in a basic trainer would be a couple of seconds at least greater. Also, using the Brooks Racer ST 5 in an 800m workout there was a whopping six seconds faster average result in the Next %.....
Not a perfect demonstration, as his 1600m repetitions were all over the place, an elite athlete will bang them off much more consistently. Also, I am guessing here, but the belief or placebo effect may be magnified by switching shoe mid-workout. Also, the Next % was the second shoe each time, meaning, he was well warmed up to the effort once he had the Next % on......but we just had fun with it rather than taking it seriously.....
TDIL that the Pegasus is a racing flat. Who knew? -
One of the charts in the video says it was a Pegasus Turbo, which is a bit closer to a racing shoe for lots of people than the regular Pegasus.
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Yes and here is a current list of about 17 different Pegasus runners, not all are racing flats.
https://www.nike.com/ca/w/pegasus-running-shoes-37v7jz8nexhzy7ok
