El g is known to have done that workout in around 54 seconds per 400m, right around 1500m pace
El g is known to have done that workout in around 54 seconds per 400m, right around 1500m pace
Yes indeed, many ways to skin a cat, But even in that skill there is a need of a skilled "surgeon`s intervention" for best results.
From the top in the control room.
I agree that it does take a cumulative and highly thought-out and tested training program to get the best out of each athlete. These workouts are meaningless unless there is an overall approach to the training. Each workout is a piece of the puzzle. Not brain surgery. However, not piecemeal either.
While I was coaching, I kept an open mind and loved to talk training with other coaches that I respected and that had shown great, overwhelming success with all their athletes (not just 10% or so). I certainly believed in the program that I created but there were a lot of speed bumps along the way and took me a solid 15 years of coaching before I felt as though the program was great for all types of athletes and all levels of ability. This all being done while still being open to adapting the approach while still keeping an overall wholistic and cumulative approach to the training.
No one workout is any more or less important than an easy recovery day. The goal is to get better over time and to train consistently. However, each workout (including an easy recovery day or a rest day), should have meaning.
Just some thoughts. If there is anything about coaching that I miss, it is yammering about training with other coaches.
That`s great Kevin! Yammering with other coaches is just so interesting and my gatherings are when I argue mr CANOVA here and his definite opinion you can`t coach world class Africans online. I just smirk at his assumptions and shows that things are going great. ))) Where are you tonight Renato? Please jump in and join us with your long great experience. I suppose you have time to be here now when you have to hide in your home from covid-19. )))
I know for sure I have improved 100% of the runners coached by me and that must be a coaching record I guess? That`s not to brag, just the truth and how it really is.
I came to think about a clear way to have Renato visit us again and it`s just like doing this .......Canova , Canova , Canova and Canova !!.....please come in . He always use to respond on this and come in and talk about his fantastic work and achievements. Cheers! Soon he will be here.....never fail,haha! )))
Philip, can you share a link or original source that shows these workouts? From what I know of Tinman, it makes little sense as anything other than a substitute for a race. I just can't believe it's the staple that you think it is.
On the other hand, it's more reasonable if Hunter is taking 60+ seconds to run the 100m recoveries.
And I think 64 seconds at altitude may convert to 64 seconds at sea level. Especially when you are running 400s at your 5K pace (13:20, even without rounding error).
Also worth noting that the 10x400 included 5 at around 5K pace and 5 averaging 3K pace. With the first 800 at marathon pace.
All of which is to say, any of us using this as inspiration for routinely running 10-12 x 400 at 3K pace with 40 seconds rest would just be looking for an excuse to run workouts harder than we should.
Thanks, Meek. I haven't seen his workouts on strava before. Do you agree with Philip that it's a frequent workout?
I just had a chance to look carefully at the first of these, and notice that while the rest is clearly very short, the average pace on his 400s is just over 64. Not sure if any of you strava users know why the pace in the pace column averages 4:22/mile, which is about a second slower after removing a weird outlier. Still a hard workout, but closer to his 5K pace than 3K pace.
"over-exaggerated"? He claimed to have a run national record at an Olympic track distance! By telling such a ridiculous lie (among others) he just completely discredited himself and led many to question his sanity when he could be so easily found out. Besides, any even half-decent coach will have no need to lie about their performances.
I am sure that Tinman is able to provide evidence for his 5k performance and even then you are suggesting a totally different type of thing. If Tinman claimed to have been trading national mile records with guys like Steve Scott in the 1970s he would have been simply laughed out of the running community a long time ago. Yet Cabral did the same sort of thing.
Through name dropping, trying to give the impression that he hung around elite athletes and coaches, and lying about his credentials, Cabral managed to give the superficial impression for a while on forums that he probably knew something about running. But the reality is that most posters, including yourself know have a far better understanding of what it takes to improve and approach your potential.
Congrats on your 5k on the other thread BTW .
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