Over 440 jobs lost for every Coronavirus death--while missed cancer screenings kill far more

Let's include increase in child molestation for kids forced to be in home in abusive situations. Let's include increases in domestic abuse. Increased, anxiety and depression- these will impact youth for the rest of their lives.

C19 is the first disease in history from which you can officially die without any firm evidence that you actually had it.

This “wave” of excess mortality, is a direct consequence of the lockdown as has recently been highlighted by NHS data analysts Edge Health.

The difference is that people think of cancer as something everyone else gets.

Allen53 wrote:

Let's include increase in child molestation for kids forced to be in home in abusive situations. Let's include increases in domestic abuse.

Well, do your best to stop doing that stuff.

Yeah, well, I already know a lockdown suicide. He was a WWII vet in his nineties. Have known him my entire life. He couldn't remember his birth date, but did remember having to lie about being old enough in order to enlist for Pearl Harbor. Joined the Navy and was a gunner on a landing craft that was sunk. Swam to shore in New Guinea, where he was found by the army and given a rifle. Island hopped with MacArthur and swore if he ever made it back to the mountains of East Tennessee, he would never leave. Stayed in a ramshackle home, determined to be free for the rest of his days. Used to say "when I wake up in the morning, if I want to walk that way, I walk that way. If I want to walk that (other) way, I walk that way." When lockdown made that impossible, he finally decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

You really want to call him a snowflake, jerk?

I meant "after" Pearl Harbor. Not "for."

Looking retrospectively, no it was not worth it. The experts told us to do so, so we did. Oh well.

Was it worth it? wrote:

You really want to call him a snowflake, jerk?

No he wasn't who I was referencing where I said "Anyone committing suicide because they lost their job is the definition of a snowflake."

But I'd say whoever wasn't looking after this alleged 90 year old vet in the highest risk health category, is a jerk. He didn't need to off himself over this. Nothing was stopping him from taking a walk or doing whatever you say he was denied. Someone needed to be there helping him. Where were you?

Grow up! If you don't think there is a direct correlation between unemployment/job loss and suicide you must be living under a rock. I live in an area that has a city of 61,000 and the county has about 104,000 people. Last I heard we had 27 cases, zero hospitalizations, and zero deaths from Covid.

However, I unfortunately have attended several funerals in the last couple of years of parents, a coach at my school, and a former athletic director that all took their lives after losing their jobs. It's way more common than you think and you shouldn't make fun of those that have taken their own life.

I don't even live in the same state as him anymore, idiot.

We got a jumper! wrote:

Was it worth it? wrote:

You really want to call him a snowflake, jerk?

No he wasn't who I was referencing where I said "Anyone committing suicide because they lost their job is the definition of a snowflake."

But I'd say whoever wasn't looking after this alleged 90 year old vet in the highest risk health category, is a jerk. He didn't need to off himself over this. Nothing was stopping him from taking a walk or doing whatever you say he was denied. Someone needed to be there helping him. Where were you?

Please share with us the snowflake type that you were talking about.

Those people weren't exactly contributing much to society. Most of us have real jobs are actually doing quite well.

My six month skin cancer screening was delayed until July. Crossing my fingers it doesn't come back until then. My mom's colon cancer screening was delayed until June. I'm sure it will all be fine...

"Real Job"

There is no job more real than another.

By definition, a job is a task that is assigned to you and that you have to complete. Some have jobs that offer strong moral connections. Others are asked to prevent employees from stepping on each others' toes, employees whose tasks were defined to be overlapping in order to make them replaceable. It is one of the pillars of capitalism. You don't want the tail to wag the dog so you make it easy to replace employees.

Undoubtedly, there is a shift of massive proportions. In some domains, people are not just fully employed but overworked. Even so, compensation is rumored to drop because of various chokes introduced in money flow.

It is a shame to regard oneself worthier than others simply by being more fortunate or to tell a dying man that he deserves to die or that his death is somehow benefits society. Not so sure I want such discriminating 'survivors' in my society.

I would be very careful labeling people who commit suicide as “weak” or losers. Very high functioning successful people can suddenly encounter mental health issues when under duress. This death is one I would not necessarily attribute to the lockdown itself—her job would have been devastating without a lockdown too because of the pandemic. But we don’t know if the additional stress of the lockdown made it even worse

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/nyregion/new-york-city-doctor-suicide-coronavirus.html

party like it's 1859 wrote:

Those people weren't exactly contributing much to society. Most of us have real jobs are actually doing quite well.

Yep. and many times when those that have "real jobs" have their company go under -quickly finding another good "real job" doesn't always happen right away and that can cause a multitude of issues that even those "doing quite well" aren't accustomed to. I'm surprised so many are oblivious to real life.

That’s a bullsh!t story.

These types of threads imply that we should have taken no precautions. Would most people have been comfortable with 2M or more deaths?

If the orange man only would have listened and read the daily briefings that so many hard working republican staff members had assembled.

But for the lockdowns, the virus would have spread unchecked and completely overwhelmed the health care system for a period much longer than any lockdown. So, far more cancer tests would have been missed and 2-3 million people would have died from COVID 19.

There is absolutely no evidence of a rise in mortality of non-COVID 19 deaths due to the lockdowns. If anything, people have been safer and healthier during lockdown. Streets are empty. The number of deaths and injuries from traffic accidents has plummeted (I am an attorney and this is a big concern among the plaintiff's bar). Air quality has improved substantially. A lot of people are getting out and going for walks or taking up running who had previously been completely sedentary. People are cooking real food at home instead of eating garbage fast food. No bar fights, shootings, drunk driving.