Yale Daily News article says August/September start for colleges is mostly “off the table”.

Such short-sighted thinking. Why do you think they pay this amount (hint: it's not the education) ? It's so they can get a better paying job in the US which displaces a US worker.

I went to school at a time where we got the top 10 students from China. That was great. And taking in the top 1000 would be great too. But taking in 400k random students a year of whom you have no idea if they cheated on exams and applications to get in, there's probably a limit to the benefit there.

A niece took in some dozen strays from Cornell & stopped by during Thx weekend.

I asked them : how many of you plan to work in USA after graduation school? Answer: 0.

I asked them: who is getting financial aid? Answer: 0.

I asked them why they came all the way to Cornell for school then? Best education

Great example. Not. Cornell has a $7.3B endowment. The tuition that the Chinese students pay does not increase that endowment, it is the Americans who go onto be successful who give back. The Chinese students are ultimately a drain on the university if you factor in the lifetime contributions of their classmates. And it would not matter to the school if their seats went unfilled because the endowment can pay for everyone anyway.

1ub2run wrote:

A niece took in some dozen strays from Cornell & stopped by during Thx weekend.

I asked them : how many of you plan to work in USA after graduation school? Answer: 0.

I asked them: who is getting financial aid? Answer: 0.

I asked them why they came all the way to Cornell for school then? Best education

Best education is their standard BS answer. It's not that they want the best education, instead it is all about prestige back home. Chinese Us. are crap and they know it. Why did Xi Xing Ping send his daughter to Harvard? And why was she back there for the 2019 -2020 school year? It's simple. Image and prestige. I lived and taught in China for 3 years. The Chinese are superficial and image driven people beyond belief.

run faster and faster wrote:

Great example. Not. Cornell has a $7.3B endowment. The tuition that the Chinese students pay does not increase that endowment, it is the Americans who go onto be successful who give back. The Chinese students are ultimately a drain on the university if you factor in the lifetime contributions of their classmates. And it would not matter to the school if their seats went unfilled because the endowment can pay for everyone anyway.

Exactly.

Chinese students take opportunities from Americans while Colleges and administrators are lining their pockets with quid pro quo arrangements with China. It's corruption, plain and simple. A Harvard professor was arrested for accepting $50k per month from China, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If the Ivies come back online stronger, richer and better than ever, they will never be more hated. Burn this charade of American exceptionalism to the mf ground.

My wife works for the University of New Haven and was, along with 170 other employees (of about 550 total at the university) just furloughed until the end of July. The university obviously doesn’t have the endowment and resources of Yale, and there’s a real possibility of mass layoffs or even going under if they can’t get students back by the fall.

I absolutely understand the risks and realities of the epidemic to vulnerable populations. But faced with the economic and emotional fallout at home, I’m wondering if we haven’t found the right balance in all this between protecting the lives of the vulnerable and the livelihoods of the rest.

polarbear wrote:

My wife works for the University of New Haven and was, along with 170 other employees (of about 550 total at the university) just furloughed until the end of July. The university obviously doesn’t have the endowment and resources of Yale, and there’s a real possibility of mass layoffs or even going under if they can’t get students back by the fall.

I absolutely understand the risks and realities of the epidemic to vulnerable populations. But faced with the economic and emotional fallout at home, I’m wondering if we haven’t found the right balance in all this between protecting the lives of the vulnerable and the livelihoods of the rest.

The "cure" of social distancing for long periods of time is worse than the disease. More people will die of starvation and other poverty related reasons (such as no healthcare, drug overdose, suicide) at this rate than will die of coronavirus.

I'd rather risk getting coronavirus than risk having my family be evicted from our house.

albanese wrote:

run faster and faster wrote:

Great example. Not. Cornell has a $7.3B endowment. The tuition that the Chinese students pay does not increase that endowment, it is the Americans who go onto be successful who give back. The Chinese students are ultimately a drain on the university if you factor in the lifetime contributions of their classmates. And it would not matter to the school if their seats went unfilled because the endowment can pay for everyone anyway.

Exactly.

Chinese students take opportunities from Americans while Colleges and administrators are lining their pockets with quid pro quo arrangements with China. It's corruption, plain and simple. A Harvard professor was arrested for accepting $50k per month from China, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

First off, this is one example of someone doing something unethical. Bad people exist in the world, but they do not speak or act for the majority.

Secondly, this is a slippery slope, you are targeting a specific group of people based on their nationality and calling for limiting their access to education in this country. I don't even want to begin to unpack that idea, but it implies that other nationalities might be next. Where would you draw the line then for who can come in and spend their own money to provide an education for themselves or their children?

This then goes to the issue of corruption. Assuming what you are saying is true, is the problem with foreign students coming in? Or rather the educational system in this country for promoting bad behavior? Don't limit the opportunities for others because you believe it to be unfair. Maybe instead try to address how schools can more efficiently spend their money so that there isn't such a disparity of opportunity between members of the student body. Let student athletes earn a paycheck for their time spent training. Stop paying football and basketball head coaches such large salaries. So on and so forth.

Nothing is perfect, but we shouldn't change the rules when we think we are "losing the game".

rojo wrote:

run faster and faster wrote:

If elite colleges really wanted diversity, they would not ask for skin color unless they think races are different. If they want varying thought processes and backgrounds, they should admit people randomly. By screening applicants and choosing the best GPAs and best test scores, the students will be very similar. Screening criteria by definition eliminates diversity because the objective is to choose students who fit into that narrow criteria.

Interesting post. Thumbs up.

Of course skin color is different. If you think growing up Asian or black or Latino or white is all the same you are a fool. They all have different cultures. Being different is ok, but to want students who are s the same only enhances the racial bias.

Skin color makes us different? Watching the NFL draft today, they interviewed a black Dr. from Harvard. Guessing his kids will have more in common with his millionaire white neighbors than black kids from inner city. Just like a poor white kid from Mississippi who is next door neighbor with a poor black kid will have more in common than with a millionaire white kid from Masachusetts.

A couple of quick points:

If prominent schools like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc decide to delay the start of the fall semester, or go virtual, it will be a quick domino effect to the other colleges and universities throughout the country, because many are still making decisions based on optics and CYA rather than statistical analysis (which have proven somewhat flawed with poor or incomplete data in the first place).

The NCAA has already stated that while they are willing to have competition in the fall without spectators (i.e. Football in empty stadiums) they will not have student athletes report to campus to practice and compete while the rest of the university is online or not started.

Cancellation of fall athletics is a strong reality at this point. All it takes is a few prominent universities (like Harvard) to go online, and the rest will follow and won't have much choice. I hear much about delaying football to the winter or spring, but if your entire fall semester is online, when do winter sports start? And more importantly, TV rights - how do you balance men's basketball and football?

This is the bubble that is going to burst post-secondary education and probably collegiate athletics.

If the Ivies delay, middle America will take advantage. It will be the death of the Ivies. Texas and Georgia and Iowa are not delaying. Kids want to go to school, not to pay $50k in tuition to take an online class in their kitchen.

Yes more in common... but do you think rich white and rich black is the same? Or poor white and poor black?

Do you think poor black andnpoor white and poor Latino or whoever all have the same culture?

I disagree that colleges and universities will follow the ivies if all of them go online for the fall. Sports are one thing, but many schools will go bankrupt if they do not open in the fall. Most schools don’t have Ivy League size endowments. Second, many of the ivies are in the northeast corridor, where per capita infection rates are much higher than other parts of the country. Universities in geographic areas with low rates of infection will most certainly open in the fall, no matter what the ivies do. Unless of course the ivies want to start sharing their billions.

Yes. Not even sure what you mean. A spoiled black kid who has a dad that is a millionaire surgeon grew up in the same culture as his next door neighbor white kid who has a dad that is a millionaire surgeon. What do think, the black kid is racist and hangs out with kids with the same color? That isn't how it works anymore. Runners hang out and football players hang out and country club kids hang out and drug users hang out. Nobody cares about skin color except you and few others.

You are woefully ignorant. There are more than a million citizens of other nations in American colleges. That doesn't include illegal immigrants in American colleges. Illegal immigrants are receiving tons of financial aid and grants to attend colleges while American kids have to pay full tuition. American colleges should be for American citizens ONLY.

America is not obligated to do a damn thing for any other country. The only thing America is obligated to do is provide opportunities for American citizens and we are currently failing.

Even more, black and latino students have significantly lower SAT scores and GPAs compared to white and asian students at the same colleges. White and asian students are losing opportunities to students of other colors with lower grades and scores. White and asian students are treated differently entirely because of their race. That is the definition of RACISM.

The college system in this country is broken. It's not there to educate students, it's there to make college administrators rich. It's about time colleges start serving the students rather than the corrupt administrators.

Anyone have any information on Liberty University? They reopened right? How many cases did they end up having?

run faster and faster wrote:

Yes. Not even sure what you mean. A spoiled black kid who has a dad that is a millionaire surgeon grew up in the same culture as his next door neighbor white kid who has a dad that is a millionaire surgeon. What do think, the black kid is racist and hangs out with kids with the same color? That isn't how it works anymore. Runners hang out and football players hang out and country club kids hang out and drug users hang out. Nobody cares about skin color except you and few others.

This is so cute. But the justice system, mortgage brokers, credit bureaus show otherwise. Systematic racism is embedded in everything today. I appreciate your idealism but the reality is it’s not a fair playing field.

Not saying I don’t agree that race should not be a factor in things such as college acceptance but to say there’s no bias anymore is wrong.