I’m not a stats guy or a scientist, so I don’t know if these charts are missing any important factors, but maybe they may provide a good starting point for discussion on what the numbers tell us?
I’m not a stats guy or a scientist, so I don’t know if these charts are missing any important factors, but maybe they may provide a good starting point for discussion on what the numbers tell us?
Of course. Nobody knows anything about Covid. That's the precise reason we are on lockdown. Until we know what it is, it's much safer to keep everyone away from it. If people were just patient this whole thing would be over with very soon and we can go back to normal.
Rojo's post highlights one of the major faults of medical research today: Clinical research studies simply do not control for confounders and are only sufficient to reveal associations, not causation. Clinical 'researchers' proudly call themselves scientists while chasing p values to publish whatever they can. It is in this context that we as a society find ourselves in the midst of a pandemic and taking such ridiculous steps as trials of nicotine patches without so much as a basic science explanation or theory on why this would work.
So you all know, yes I am deeply disappointed by my sons.
Just wow... wrote:
Destroy the virus ( the virus is not a life form).
A car isn't a life form either but I'm pretty sure you can destroy one.
Why is everyone here dumb?
Chill out, dude. I was just correcting my previous post. WTF is wrong with you? That makes everyone here dumb except you? That makes enough sense to qualify you as dumb.
you mean we're constantly discovering new things about a brand new virus?
mind blown.
likeliterallylike wrote:
Rojo's post highlights one of the major faults of medical research today: Clinical research studies simply do not control for confounders and are only sufficient to reveal associations, not causation. Clinical 'researchers' proudly call themselves scientists while chasing p values to publish whatever they can. It is in this context that we as a society find ourselves in the midst of a pandemic and taking such ridiculous steps as trials of nicotine patches without so much as a basic science explanation or theory on why this would work.
Yes if only we could forcibly infect smokers and non-smokers with COVID and run an RCT.
Observational data is weaker than controlled trails -- but we can't always run the trials we want...
What obvious, ethical, inexpensive, feasible trials are the medical establishment missing? Enlighten me.
correlation =/= causation wrote:
This is interesting and deserves some exploration. But my dude, do you understand correlation and causation? This is correlation. My car's speedometer reading "60mph" is correlated with my car going fast. But my car doesn't go fast because of the speedometer reading. No one would expect their car to go fast when they manually move the speedometer's dial to 60mph. I don't think it's a very good idea to go out on a limb and implicitly suggest that smoking will help with coronavirus. Even if it does, smoking drastically increases your health risk. I know that's not the point of your post...I'd say your actual point is "we don't know anything, so believing anything is kinda reasonable" (an irresponsible position to publicly hold imo).
Not trying to police your speech bro. Just register for a burner account if you want to come down and speculate with us numbskulls; doing so from a position of authority is pointless and arguably dangerous. And from a business perspective, probably better to keep your official account looking clean. Business-wise, it would be smart to draw a better line between rojo the site admin and rojo the overconfident dilettante.
I'd advise you not to dig your heels in and become more stubborn about your speech. You are running a business and either a) this type of behavior is ruining the brand, or b) it is on-brand. Shitty either way.
Well said
This is the first forum I have come across where the site owners post crap (in their own name at least) and troll like the rest
question everything wrote:
Maybe smokers are less likely to get the annual flu shot. And this thing is an adverse secondary cytokine storm from the annual flu shot?
Why would a vaccination cause increased cytokine storm?
Even the deniers like Wiggins, Farts matter, Allenkey53 and Giles are staying out of this one, saying "hey Rojo, leave this sh*t to us bro"
No they didn't.
And here they come. No surprise. CNN is your God perhaps, but not your friend.
Poor people without good healthcare smoke more than any other group I'd imagine. Same group would be the least likely to get tested or seek treatment.
What is the proportion of people over 80 that smoke? Substantially less than the general population, I bet, simply because smoking reduces the chance of reaching that age in the first place.
i.e. if 20% of your 40-year-olds smoke, after 40 years you're not likely to have 20% of your 80 year olds smoke, because the non-smokers were more likely to survive that long.
“Current smokers”
So these could be people very sick with underlying health issues, who don’t smoke currently, who did previously.
HUH???? wrote:
Just wow... wrote:
Destroy the virus ( the virus is not a life form).
A car isn't a life form either but I'm pretty sure you can destroy one.
Why is everyone here dumb?
Just wow was responding to a comment that mentioned killing the virus. He replied effectively, I think, that since the virus is non-living it is not something to be killed but rather something to be destroyed. Capish?
The actual theory behind why smokers are not getting as sick is the cytokines storming theory. Smokers generally have worse immune systems. Therefore, they may be more likely to catch COVID, but they’re less likely to get seriously ill because their immune system doesn’t overreact to the virus.
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reality based thinking wrote:
People with underlying health issues are not allowed to smoke, hence the correlation.
You think old folks who have been smoking since their early teens all just quit smoking when the develop serious health issues?
uh yeah dude, that's pretty much the only time they do. It's called a freaking wake up call. Guess you never had one as a sheltered millennial.
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