After delay, USATF releases Max Siegels 2018 compensation... Guess how much it was.

Sidebar: USATF membership dues went up this year.

This a complete SCAM on athletes, coaches and fans! What on earth has Max Siegel done to benefit track and field in the US? It certainly isn't more visible that it was before him! This type of money is outrageous for this job ( and really for most in my opinion) and is a carryover of the corporate model - which btw hasn't done America nor most Americans any favors! He needs to GO, and this needs to be changed! there are many WAY BETTER uses for this money!

I'm not in a position to comment about the individuals involved, but this really is shocking to me, and I do wonder if it's something that can be remedied by USOPC and perhaps decertification. It certainly seems a worthy issue for letsrun.com to investigate and continue to report on.

Not much of a surprise. They have been looting this organization since they were the AAU and then TAC and now USATF. It wouldn’t be so bad if they were competent but we know that’s not true. But at least they raised they’re membership dues coming up.

They are such a corrupt organization. The group suspended the president the members elected for multiple years and tried to enact a coo so the board could never be replaced. They are also totally in Nike's pocket. Why all these people got kickbacks and bonuses for negotiating a deal with Nike that was not put out to competitive bid. I have never seen anyone get anywhere close to the best deal possible without a competitive bid.

USATF makes most of its money because of the elite athletes and gives such a tiny portion back to supporting the elites. It has this control because it controls the process that allows the athletes to go World Championships and Olympics. The only way for the athletes of the world to get our of the BS cycle where they are financially abused by these administrators would be to boycott the Olympics and world championships. If none of the top Athletes showed up to the Olympics and the trials across the globe and held a competing event it would force change and they could actually come to the negotiating table. But because of the short careers and massive coordination, this would require no one has done this.

Yes, my thoughts precisely.

In a recent call with a HS coach who tried to impress me that the assistants he intends to bring on board for the next year are all USATF Certified: "Sorry, I do not recognize the USATF" He then tried to explain USATF to me as if I was FOB. I clarified: "I do not recognize their authority over HS running"

ndinv wrote:

Yes, my thoughts precisely.

In a recent call with a HS coach who tried to impress me that the assistants he intends to bring on board for the next year are all USATF Certified: "Sorry, I do not recognize the USATF" He then tried to explain USATF to me as if I was FOB. I clarified: "I do not recognize their authority over HS running"

so you are a jerk. good luck running in any national meet if you don't recognize the USATF.

brah, why did you delete my post on your smoking thread and ban me from posting on that thread?

Avocado's Number wrote:

I'm not in a position to comment about the individuals involved, but this really is shocking to me, and I do wonder if it's something that can be remedied by USOPC and perhaps decertification. It certainly seems a worthy issue for letsrun.com to investigate and continue to report on.

Well, you are asking is USOC could do anything about it. Of course they could, but there is no indication that they would or would want to. This is pretty much par for the course in the way Olympic and international sports organizations are run. This is exactly analogous to Chuck Blazer receiving commissions for negotiating TV contracts for FIFA and CONCACAF. I mean that was his job, which he was already been handsomely compensated for, but....

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Avocado's Number wrote:

I'm not in a position to comment about the individuals involved, but this really is shocking to me, and I do wonder if it's something that can be remedied by USOPC and perhaps decertification. It certainly seems a worthy issue for letsrun.com to investigate and continue to report on.

Well, you are asking is USOC could do anything about it. Of course they could, but there is no indication that they would or would want to. This is pretty much par for the course in the way Olympic and international sports organizations are run. This is exactly analogous to Chuck Blazer receiving commissions for negotiating TV contracts for FIFA and CONCACAF. I mean that was his job, which he was already been handsomely compensated for, but....

I believe that USOPC has shown a much greater willingness to pursue decertification of NGBs in the last year or so, reflecting a shift from Scott Blackmun's somewhat laissez-faire approach in the wake of the gymnastics scandals. Although much of the focus in recent decertification proceedings has been in the area of so-called "safe sports" concerns, USOPC has also noted issues relating more broadly to finances, conflicts of interest, and other matters of ethics and governance, and NGBs have become targets of decertification proceedings in a number of sports, including gymnastics, badminton, and boxing. These compensation figures for USATF are, I believe, eye-popping in the USOPC and NGB community, and the apparent delays in releasing these figures seem noteworthy.

just sayin... wrote:

USATF is supposed to be a governing body, not a for profit organization. As a non-profit governing body it should be the members of USATF who vote and set the wages for the governing body. Right now they are acting like a private company which would be fine if they weren't the governing body, it is a conflict of interests.

To fix this USATF should be allowed to operate however they want but removed as the governing body for our sport. They can be replaced with a true governing body that actually represents the athletes.

Can someone explain why it is currently setup this way? This is a good example of what socialism looks like - a government that gets to have unlimited power but brands itself as for the people.

Does any non-profit let the members set salary?

That is usually the job of the board.

This is not socialism in any way either.

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C jessup wrote:

Are you really that dumb. What does his salary in 2018 have to do with current events. You dope.

This. All this site's confounders will do is whine and stamp their feet over anything USATF. God forbid they choose to get involved by rolling up their sleeves and doing real work, even dirty work. Buncha crybaby silverspoons who think their opinions are somehow important despite having zero skin in the game.

I have been a member off and on for decades. One issue is that voting requires undue burden. Unless things have changed, can members vote for things online? Many other NGBs allow online voting for Board slots.

I have never done this analysis, but a fair comparison of compensation is to look at what other similar-sized organizations pay their CEOs. Size can be revenue and membership. You can break it down non-profit/profit.

For instance does a person overseeing an organization with 100K members and $30M in annual revenue (and let's go with a staff of 50) deserve more pay than the CEO of an org half that size?

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Avocado's Number wrote:

I'm not in a position to comment about the individuals involved, but this really is shocking to me, and I do wonder if it's something that can be remedied by USOPC and perhaps decertification. It certainly seems a worthy issue for letsrun.com to investigate and continue to report on.

Well, you are asking is USOC could do anything about it. Of course they could, but there is no indication that they would or would want to. This is pretty much par for the course in the way Olympic and international sports organizations are run. This is exactly analogous to Chuck Blazer receiving commissions for negotiating TV contracts for FIFA and CONCACAF. I mean that was his job, which he was already been handsomely compensated for, but....

If you look the USOPC has been involved. It has pushed to reduce the board size and other governance measures. Going forward there will be far more oversight from USOPC.

Plus there are often things done behind the scenes as well.

The USOPC has largely not gotten involved except with financial malfeasance (and often then only when it was USOPC money and they had an audit trail). Part of the fallout from Nassar is more USOPC oversight.

I think Renee is his wife

I work for a not-for-profit health system. The CEO makes about the same as this guy but leads 35,000 employees and has over 12 billion in revenue. This guy is seriously overpaid.

ThickThighs wrote:

I work for a not-for-profit health system. The CEO makes about the same as this guy but leads 35,000 employees and has over 12 billion in revenue. This guy is seriously overpaid.

And your boss probably doesn't have the luxury of running a federally protected monopoly.

many local associations are even worse than the national office..

rojo wrote:

Runners World’s Sarah Lorge Butler initially tweeted out that it was $4.2 million but that tweet has been redacted. He was paid $1.2 million in salary and then promised $3 million more in deferred compensation over 7 years. Here is her new reporting.

You sure it was redacted? I still see it there loud and clear.