Hi Leslie Dal Cin,
Nice to see you're making your way around to all the running message boards. Certainly more time than you seem to have spent caring about Queen's cross-country team.
Hi Leslie Dal Cin,
Nice to see you're making your way around to all the running message boards. Certainly more time than you seem to have spent caring about Queen's cross-country team.
Wondering abo wrote:
Many teams and coaches at Queen's work well with their outstanding AD. For example women's rugby who won USports silver last fall. Also women's basketball whose coach of 38 years recently retired had glowing words of praise about the AD.
you dont "win" silver in rugby.
Oh is that what Steve has told you - there was no bid rigging to award the Nationals to Guelph - there was just Steve bitching and chewing about every decision that AC makes that doesnt go his way. Eventually rather than fight a senseless fight, AC awarded the Nationals bid to Kingston. Guelph didnt actually care that much, as hosting is huge amount of work. Go for it Kingston.
Queen's rugby finished Nationals this past fall with a silver medal. Positive supporters will say they won the silver medal. The program and leadership at Queen's are both great and have been for years.
There are no bad teams at Nationals. You have to win your way in. To reach the Gold medal game you have to defeat two top teams which Queen's did. On the day a great Laval team won gold and Queen's won silver. There were no losers on the field that day. Warriors.
Guelph was there too. Their programs and leadership have been great for years.
It's not surprising. When an athlete wants to play for a coach instead of a school, they usually leave when the coach does.
Those athletes are also the most biased in favor of their coaches, and their opinions on the propriety of their coach's actions should be treated as such.
Curious that in your glowing praise you glossed over the allegations made within our sport community. Where is your acknowledgment of athlete concerns? When is OUA and Usports going to investigate? #metoo
While some of you are adamant on continuing the Guelph/DST firing debate (which has its own thread) I'm much more interested how Brogan compares to the top NCAA athletes. Will this finally give us a good comparison of NCAA depth vs. USports Canada?
no comparison wrote:
Oh is that what Steve has told you - there was no bid rigging to award the Nationals to Guelph - there was just Steve bitching and chewing about every decision that AC makes that doesnt go his way. Eventually rather than fight a senseless fight, AC awarded the Nationals bid to Kingston. Guelph didnt actually care that much, as hosting is huge amount of work. Go for it Kingston.
There is clear, documented legally admissible evidence that there was bid rigging to not only award nationals to Guelph but also to award Guelph another national championships. They lost their case in arbitration because it turned out that yes, there was bid rigging. Guelph/SR improperly had people in several of the voting positions to award the championships to themselves. That wasn't AC. That was AC and Guelph working together. And remember, for part of the time DST and AC were the same thing. He had a position at AC while coaching at Guelph and while his club was receiving funding and favours from AC. Sounds like a major conflict of interest. Smells like corruption.
This isn't all. Keep your head in the sand if you want, but don't spew lies and expect anyone to believe anything you say.
There was absolutely a rigged bid that came to light when DST announced at a city of Guelph town hall that Speed River was hosting Nationals XC before it was made official. Steve's blog is fine but if you want the details ask Clive Morgan - he put together the bid for PhysiKult. Turns out AC had basically decided to give it to SR no matter what and when they got called out, it came out that Guelph had submitted an incomplete bid and the other bids were discarded without being looked at. People at AC even had the gall to suggest improvements to the PK bid that got tossed out (the one that ended up winning when a third party arbitrator was brought in).
This happened again with Weiler/London Runner and the 10,000m nats.
Brogan MacDougall has had to switch schools twice now because of that arrogrant vindictive steve boyd.
First he created so many problems for her high school coach that she had to switch to another high school.
Now he got himself fired for insubordination at Queens, so now Brogan is switching schools once again.
Her (and her sisters) blind loyalty to that pos has only caused turmoil in their lives.
Hopefully now, they will be free of his evil grip.
A homeowners association (HOA) voted on and selected a color that all house doors in the community had to be painted. A resident, not on the HOA, didn't like the color and complained. "I have the right to freely paint my door any color I want". The resident got fined and learned - no you have to abide by the HOA regulations - read the charter.
The resident figured it out. Volunteer and sit on the committee and put in 100's of free hours laboring to make the community a great place to live and then when the vote came up about paint color for doors she could table her choice. She did and didn't get her choice selected. Damn she said "I pay my fees and I have rights". Yes - true but you live in the community and the rules are set out in the charter. Conform or be fined.
The resident figured it out after years of bitterly complaining. Continue to volunteer and sit on the committee and put in 100's of free hours laboring to make the community a great place to live and convince some friends to do the same and then when the vote came up about paint color for doors they could table the choice of door color. The vote came up and the "friends" decided to go with another color. The resident couldn't live with their door being the color decided by the HOA and it's duly appointed members. The resident took their door off and had a tarp instead of a door. She really showed them. The saga continues to this day.
After the coach was let go the athletes knew they had a choice run for Queens or PK but not both!!!
I remember when Canada was great
Now it is a toxic hell
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This coach Boyd who got fired had done an admirable job with the Queens program and his athletes collectively appeared to admire his coaching abilities.
I have a few questions though. Is the coach not letting people who run for Queens university from this point on run for his club? I'm asking the question. If yes, then I believe that would be extremely unfair to the athletes, selfish of the coach and flat out discrimination against athletes. Problems with Queens should not be projected onto athletes. Again, I dont know the answer but would like to know it. Some would say his club, his rules but athletes have their own rights and freedoms too.
PS best of luck to Brogan McD at Wisconsin.
fat slob former DI wrote:
This coach Boyd who got fired had done an admirable job with the Queens program and his athletes collectively appeared to admire his coaching abilities.
I have a few questions though. Is the coach not letting people who run for Queens university from this point on run for his club? I'm asking the question. If yes, then I believe that would be extremely unfair to the athletes, selfish of the coach and flat out discrimination against athletes. Problems with Queens should not be projected onto athletes. Again, I dont know the answer but would like to know it. Some would say his club, his rules but athletes have their own rights and freedoms too.
PS best of luck to Brogan McD at Wisconsin.
It's unlikely to be an issue. Queen's admin and their friends will make it a rule that anyone running for the school's teams cannot be associated with PK. This is right in line with everything else Queen's has done. Local high school coaches have done this in the past with PK. Other universities have in the past required or strongly suggested/pressured their athletes to only run with the university's associated track club. It would truly surprise me if they haven't already put this rule in place behind the scenes. Anyone who chooses to run for Queen's will have to compete for Queen's and the new Queen's Track Club under whatever new coach is desperate enough to take a position there until Queen's decides in a year or two that the team isn't worth funding and the XC team also gets reduced to a varsity club.
Wet Coast wrote:
Brogan MacDougall.
Here, she speaks her mind about why she left Queen's in USport (Canada) for Wisconsin:
https://athleticsillustrated.com/brogan-macdougall-speaks-her-mind-about-steve-boyd-firing-and-her-move-to-the-wisconsin-badgers/
This article is poorly written . Lots of misinformation .
Hey There wrote:
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There is clear, documented legally admissible evidence that there was bid rigging to not only award nationals to Guelph but also to award Guelph another national championships. They lost their case in arbitration because it turned out that yes, there was bid rigging. Guelph/SR improperly had people in several of the voting positions to award the championships to themselves. That wasn't AC. That was AC and Guelph working together. And remember, for part of the time DST and AC were the same thing. He had a position at AC while coaching at Guelph and while his club was receiving funding and favours from AC. Sounds like a major conflict of interest. Smells like corruption.
Legally admissable? What court made that determination? Or are you just spewing terms without support?
For many years, Boyd had the excuse of DST to blame for never really making it.
Now, he still does.
Classic German Observer wrote:
Legally admissable? What court made that determination? Or are you just spewing terms without support?
For many years, Boyd had the excuse of DST to blame for never really making it.
Now, he still does.
It may have been the Court of Arbitration for Sport, but if not it was a Canadian sports tribunal. Whichever it was, a tribunal is a legal body that is part of the court system. Its decisions are binding. If you appeal a tribunal decision, you do so at a higher level of the court system.
Any other questions, or are you just spewing terms without support?
Hey There wrote:
Classic German Observer wrote:
Legally admissable? What court made that determination? Or are you just spewing terms without support?
For many years, Boyd had the excuse of DST to blame for never really making it.
Now, he still does.
It may have been the Court of Arbitration for Sport, but if not it was a Canadian sports tribunal. Whichever it was, a tribunal is a legal body that is part of the court system. Its decisions are binding. If you appeal a tribunal decision, you do so at a higher level of the court system.
Any other questions, or are you just spewing terms without support?
Was there a ruling made with regard to admissibility? If there was not ruling by a legal judge, then no determination has been made. Stuff goes through to governing bodies all of the time without any legal determination being made.
You seem to be overplaying your hand here. In case you are unaware, there has already been a firing of someone who made these strong statement, as they were found as a matter of record to " follow a pattern of objectionable social media commentary spanning several years, about which he had previously been formally cautioned. [the person] failed to heed repeated warnings from the administration to stop his reckless social media activities. "
Up to you, but given the outcome that has occurred, you might want to slow your roll rather than go down the path that this person did.
https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/stories/university-statement-regarding-steve-boydDave Gilmore wrote:
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This article is poorly written . Lots of misinformation .
The writer has a history of retractions and corrections.