Last free nation in the world is Sweden

Giles Corey wrote:

Corey Giles wrote:

Sweden bands hate speech, including remarks meant to disparge homosexuals and transgenders, and many remarks supportive of Nazis. Which means our man Giles Corey will never move there.

Says my tribute poster.

I am a bit concerned about your obsession with me.

You may want to talk to somebody about that.

Why do Swedish bands employ hate speech by the way? Like barroom blitz?

I respect your ability to blather in the face of such evisceration.

Harambe wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

Says my tribute poster.

I am a bit concerned about your obsession with me.

You may want to talk to somebody about that.

Why do Swedish bands employ hate speech by the way? Like barroom blitz?

I respect your ability to blather in the face of such evisceration.

I have no respect for you. Or your command of written English

walkingfastlol wrote:

Editor's note: This post comes from someone in Sweden.

Not adjusting lifestyle? Basically everyone who has the possibility to work from home does it. If your kid has any cold symptoms whatsoever they must stay home from school (I have had both my kids home for 4 weeks due to very mild colds). Basically the entire resturant, hotel and travel buisness has gone under. The unemployment rate is sky rocketing, big industrial companies are eother shut down or working at very low capacity. Gatherings of over 50 people is banned (so no sport, concerts etc), everyone over the age of 70 are strongly encourage to stay at home...amongst other things

It seems no one actually read this post m, or if they is they chose to ignore it because it doesn’t meet their agenda - how is life in Sweden “normal” with no restrictions? You don’t have to call it lock down for it to be a form of lock down.

Add to this the winter temperatures and no one was going out anyway!

To say Sweden have been going about their business same as before and therefore they are a good “test case” is a fallacy.

The only “NutJobs” in this country are the extreme loon lefty’s!!!! Everyone on the planet knows this. Zero common sense... Total pussification of America these people. Ha.

run200k wrote:

The only “NutJobs” in this country are the extreme loon lefty’s!!!! Everyone on the planet knows this. Zero common sense... Total pussification of America these people. Ha.

The GOP is filled with "chickenhawks", guys who could have served the US in a time of need but found deferments or never enlisted on their own. Cadet bone spurs is afraid of blood and germs in general. Tough guy.

Giles Corey wrote:

Did you read the article? Have you seen the numbers from Sweden?

"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

-- Joseph Goebbels:

dunes runner wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

Did you read the article? Have you seen the numbers from Sweden?

"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

-- Joseph Goebbels:

The Big Lie strategy was in use long before the Nazis came into being.

This attempt to tie The Big Lie to the Nazis is in fact part of the Big Lie.

Yes, I'm sure that it was. It would be somewhat interesting to see earlier examples.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/g2h8ko/here_is_a_quote_from_the_very_first/

dunes runner wrote:

[quote]Giles Corey wrote:

Did you read the article? Have you seen the numbers from Sweden?

"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."

Can you explain why asking someone if they have read the article and seen the numbers is any kind of lie?

Go slowly. I want to read this one

Giles Corey wrote:

The Big Lie strategy was in use long before the Nazis came into being.

This attempt to tie The Big Lie to the Nazis is in fact part of the Big Lie.

The big lie certainly applies to the U.S. as well, especially during the current fiasco.

Jambini wrote:

Can you explain why asking someone if they have read the article and seen the numbers is any kind of lie?

I didn't mean for anyone to infer that it was.

I was rather referring to the people who continue to question Sweden's success, and who have falsely promoted the idea that lockdowns have made any positive difference.

YMMV wrote:

Of course, the Finns are legendary for their social-distancing skills.

No, they are stronger than the Swedes. Much stronger. Look which one beat Russia in a war. Simply made of better, stronger stuff.

Bad Wigins wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Of course, the Finns are legendary for their social-distancing skills.

No, they are stronger than the Swedes. Much stronger. Look which one beat Russia in a war. Simply made of better, stronger stuff.

Tough and loners. I have known a few. Also the sauna is their national sacrament.

you may be onto something with the saunas. Heat and moisture both destroy cold viruses.

Bad Wigins wrote:

you may be onto something with the saunas. Heat and moisture both destroy cold viruses.

No one besides idiots call it the cold virus. It is categorically a sars like virus.

"Lukashenko encouraged citizens to drink vodka (unless working) and visit the sauna at least twice a week to stay healthy."

All the other EU nations were pointing fingers at him; Belarus has 40 deaths for a rate of 4/M, one of the lowest in the world with zero lockdown.

dunes runner wrote:

I was rather referring to the people who continue to question Sweden's success, and who have falsely promoted the idea that lockdowns have made any positive difference.

Because lock downs/social distancing have, and there is no success from Sweden.

You guys are like some drunks who learn of something someone said at a pub then try to use the information at your next BBQ to sound clever, then keep repeating stuff that no one is going to bother to look up

Let's make some comparisons. Australia is most frequently compared to Sweden in terms of quality of life, health, economy etc. And don't come with the 'Australia is an island thing'...it doesn't make you smart, all countries have closed borders and Australia have had more cruise ship import infections than all other countries.

Australia:

Current total infections, 6,468, including >4,000 directly overseas acquired

Infections per million 254

Deaths 63

Deaths per million 2

Current daily new infections approx 40, R0 of <0.5

Sweden:

Current total infections, 12,540

Infections per million 1,242

Deaths 1,333

Deaths per million 132

Current daily new infections approx 650 and not flattening yet.

You can see that the deaths, with similar health support, is out of sync. Not even discounting the 18 deaths off one cruise ship and clusters totalling 20 in three nursing homes, Australia has a death per infection of <1%

Sweden is 10.6%

Worldwide 6.6%

USA 5.1%

That tells you that their infections have to be higher, somewhere in the 25,000 to 45,000 range on a like for like basis (testing according to same symptom level)

Let's check the testing then:

Australia tested 380,000, 15,000 per million and 1.7 positive per test

Sweden tested 74,600, 7,400/million and 168 positive per test.

Does it look like they are testing to the same criteria, or not enough?

The key giveaway are the graphs of their positive plotted against time, and look at the log scale.

Australia has a near perfect rising and flattening.

Sweden 's is obvious even to the village idiot, that it is ad hoc.

You cannot hide the inaccuracies.

Please stop with this sudden love of Sweden, or if you must, please start an equivalent Australi thread.

I am Sam wrote:

That tells you that their infections have to be higher, somewhere in the 25,000 to 45,000 range on a like for like basis (testing according to same symptom level)

As a clarification of above, I didn't use the stricter Australian 1% death rate, but 3 to 5%....if I did, then it (infections) should be as high as 133, 000

YMMV wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-belarus-urges-citizens-to-drink-vodka-visit-saunas.html

"Lukashenko encouraged citizens to drink vodka (unless working) and visit the sauna at least twice a week to stay healthy."

All the other EU nations were pointing fingers at him; Belarus has 40 deaths for a rate of 4/M, one of the lowest in the world with zero lockdown.

Amazing...a country with a dictator in charge and a former Soviet block nation has more freedom right now than the good old USA!

Luskashenko, who plays semi-pro hockey, is telling it like it is: