COVID-19: Am I missing something?

Ask epidemiologists or virologists, and you'll find they've often spent quite some time modeling and studying these exact questions.

We need to transition from virological to serological testing, and we need to find out what immunity is gained by exposure, asymptomatic infection, etc.

There is zero plan toward serological testing.

There is no plan toward a solution at all save a bio pharma miracle.

MERS - was in the middle east where it's 35c/100f on the daily. 25c/80f at the coldest.

Virus do what virus want...

Austria, one of the earliest countries in Europe to go on lockdown* (I believe 3 weeks ago), will gradually open up the economy starting one week from now. First small businesses, then bigger stores, then stores. Masks will be required in public transport and in stores. Schools to follow. I think that's a reasonable plan. But note they're in pretty good shape. Germany will follow soon.

* I mean early relative to the size of the outbreak at the time. In that sense, earlier than Italy in relative terms; later in absolute terms.

Help me to understand wrote:

So the Governor of Wisconsin will let people go out to vote tomorrow, but those same people are not allowed to golf tomorrow. Just because people in charge have credentials and are experts in their fields doesn't always mean common sense comes along with it.

The Governor of Wisconsin ordered the polls closed tomorrow and postponed the election until June (I think). However the Wisconsin Supreme Court overturned his ruling.

coronacorona wrote:

Am I missing something? Is there a plan or a logical to reintroduce everybody into society? What happens when the quarantine is over, won’t the case spike then? Will we have to go back into quarantine if the number of cases begins to rise again? I haven’t heard anybody talk about how this ends, can somebody shed some light for me?

Here is the preplanned solution, and the reason for everything that's been happening.

The link is already set to the key part of the video, but all of it is well worthwhile watching.

above_average_joe wrote:

Austria, one of the earliest countries in Europe to go on lockdown* (I believe 3 weeks ago), will gradually open up the economy starting one week from now. First small businesses, then bigger stores, then stores. Masks will be required in public transport and in stores. Schools to follow. I think that's a reasonable plan. But note they're in pretty good shape. Germany will follow soon.

* I mean early relative to the size of the outbreak at the time. In that sense, earlier than Italy in relative terms; later in absolute terms.

exactly. masks are the answer. social distancing is still going to be a must so goodbye to any big events. There will probably be a entry limit if anyone even thinks events are still worth holding with limited revenue prospects. Disneyland might be fine if rides are at half capacity and people keep distance in lines. Restaurants should be fine if people arent seated close together. People who can work from home should obviously still do it. If your job can;t then once again you need masks.

We -- humankind -- has been lucky that we haven't already been destroyed by something of external origin or something of our own doing. Don't assume things must get better; things can go horrifically wrong and stay that way.

We are, most likely, just another blip in the cosmos.

We don't spend much capital on preparing for disaster (COVID-19 being a rather tame and imminently predictable example -- and let's not even consider less-likely existential risks like asteroid impacts), we are racing to destroy our ecosystems (global warming being, again, a rather obvious example with imminently predictable outcomes), and we are eagerly destroying nearly every pillar of our society (e.g., due to widespread corruption, unabashed rent-seeking, and grotesque inequality, we have little reason to have any confidence in even so-called democratic governments).

We are ruled by small-minded people who can't see past their own noses. Never forget that we are tribal apes who are barely out of the forest. At our best, we look up at the stars and have the capacity to wonder, but at our normal we are a petty, vengeful, war-like us-vs-them territorial ape who, in our limited capacity for reason, took thousands of years to figure out the basic tenet of science: is this true? Let's test it!

Wow. These are some great insights. Perhaps you could do a better job as President?

1ub2run wrote:

To your point, China opened movie theaters and closed them 2 weeks later. Shanghai opened public tourist and closed them.

Germany just released open lockdown plans and it involves 80% tracking.

To answer your question, USA needs tracking on a bracelet or Bar code on phone. If you have serological immunity, you need to be green lighted back into society. Scan & move along.

If you had a preventive vaccine, move along.

If I test positive, they need be able to track who I’ve been in contact for 2 weeks. What restaurants, what schools, etc

Yes. Affront to your personal liberty.

As this president is incapable of leading, I’m not sure tracking is possible. Thus, sit on your butt and wait for bio pharmaceutical miracle.. eta 1-2 years.

Wait, are you suggesting that you WANT to be tagged like a wild animal? You WANT your whereabouts to be tracked and scrutinized by the police and other authorities?

Bullet_Proof wrote:

ding dong play ping pong wrote:

have you seen any of the corona task force briefings? it's self-explanatory.

which direction is that? to wear facemasks (like he said) or not to wear them (like he's doing)?

a) providing a path with a clear direction towards normalcy.

b) establishing a task force with real, educated leadership (not his family).

c) being consistent and clear in his communication.

should i continue?

this is a pandemic, not an epidemic...but, putting that aside, maybe he could have, perhaps, just possibly NOT FIRED the pandemic response team in 2017 (the one that obama established after the h1n1 epidemic to deal specifically with potential future outbreaks).

Wow. These are some great insights. Perhaps you could do a better job as President?

Any poster on this site could do a better job as US president, barring the 430 miler.

What if youre climbing mt. Everest and you are concerned about potential storms. Should you consult meteorologists, i.e. the experts, when you are on the side of the mountain or your own common sense?

If the rest of us are unemployed and getting $1000 a month, why are the politicians getting paid? Everyone wants a stimulus check but no one is realizing that tax payments are going to be way down for this year. No one's working, no one's spending money, no taxes. So the government isn't going to be able to fund itself next year. Put the politicians on unemployment with the rest of us and see how long the government mandated shut down lasts.

Idel wrote:

All the politicians , their expert mouth pieces , large media outlets , and rich and influential elites got fully on board with shutting down and causing all this damage. That train isn't going to turn around quickly because they won't admit the wrong they have done.

1ub2run wrote:

To your point, China opened movie theaters and closed them 2 weeks later. Shanghai opened public tourist and closed them.

Germany just released open lockdown plans and it involves 80% tracking.

To answer your question, USA needs tracking on a bracelet or Bar code on phone. If you have serological immunity, you need to be green lighted back into society. Scan & move along.

If you had a preventive vaccine, move along.

If I test positive, they need be able to track who I’ve been in contact for 2 weeks. What restaurants, what schools, etc

Yes. Affront to your personal liberty.

As this president is incapable of leading, I’m not sure tracking is possible. Thus, sit on your butt and wait for bio pharmaceutical miracle.. eta 1-2 years.

WTF

So you're willing to force others to give up civil liberties? That's pretty scary. I'm reading 1984 right now and this seems about right. If you would like to live an authoritarian dictatorship, please move to China.

Kvothe wrote:

Any poster on this site could do a better job as US president, barring the 430 miler.

do we have definitive proof that 430miler is not the president?

Interesting, well, what he has not done is listen to a single expert in epidemiology, public health or Infectious disease. He literally admits to listening to his ID expert Fauci and then making his "own decision"! Are you blind, every country on earth has done a better job than us. Italy has more deaths due to cultural issues. We are helpless. no organization, no leadership, denials about the virus. S Korea followed the KNOWN blueprint for this pandemic and succeded. We have a failed real estate mogul who thinks he can do it himself. Got it now!

So in your opinion when we go to next world war, you wont be there, due to your precious civil liberties that you cant give up temporarily to save lives? Seriously makes me sick when people hide behind "small govt" and "civil liberties" so they dont have to contribute to saving lives. Lot of people making huge sacrifices, we will not count on you i guess. Ive seen fellow healthcare workers die from this. Thanks for being part of the problem, not the solution mr conservative.

1984 and and temporarily fighting a deadly disease are probably a bit different.

Bad combination of ignorance and ego in this president. People are dying because of him. Shows the weakness of our constitution that we cant remove a leader even if he is harming his own people. No checks no balances.

Serological testing is happening on a smaller scale in places around the country. Expanding this is a key piece of the puzzle.