All the politicians , their expert mouth pieces , large media outlets , and rich and influential elites got fully on board with shutting down and causing all this damage. That train isn't going to turn around quickly because they won't admit the wrong they have done.
ding dong play ping pong wrote:
UneducatedRedneck wrote:
How is the President incapable of leading?
have you seen any of the corona task force briefings? it's self-explanatory.
UneducatedRedneck wrote:
Is that code for you are incapable of following direction?
which direction is that? to wear facemasks (like he said) or not to wear them (like he's doing)?
UneducatedRedneck wrote:
What is he suppose to do that is not being done?
a) providing a path with a clear direction towards normalcy.
b) establishing a task force with real, educated leadership (not his family).
c) being consistent and clear in his communication.
should i continue?
UneducatedRedneck wrote:
The US has never been prepared for an epidemic in the past so why is this different?
this is a pandemic, not an epidemic...but, putting that aside, maybe he could have, perhaps, just possibly NOT FIRED the pandemic response team in 2017 (the one that obama established after the h1n1 epidemic to deal specifically with potential future outbreaks).
The single admiral who lead the team quit, the rest of the team was reshuffled and still employed (provided they did not leave on their own). We had a helicopter pilot leading the team and now we have actual doctors..
it's going to get better wrote:
Guys I think you are all overreacting a little
China's already partly back on track. Things are also really good in South Korea
I think you're going to start to see the hospitals situation get better in the next couple of weeks
Once the hospitals can adequately keep up with patient demands life should return to normal
This is all happening just so the Healthcare System doesn't get overwhelmed
Seriously the number of respiratory illnesses goes way down once the weather warms up
How many times have you gotten the flu in warm weather
I'm not saying it hasn't been bad and I'm not saying that we're not going to have to deal with this for the next couple of months
But just judging from what happened in China there's no way it's going to be 18 months
Let's remember all the evidence shows that the numbers get exaggerating during a pandemic. Anyway once the hospitals are able to keep up with demand we should be able to lift the quarantine.
This. +1
When this first started, I too was skeptical. But after some thought, I had to challenge my line of thinking.
Ask yourself - why is it that you think you are smarter than the CDC, WHO, and every health care professional in the world? These people are professionals who have dedicated their lives to this type of thing.
Why are you smarter than every executive board who is sacrificing billions of dollars to get through this? They are obligated to maximize shareholder wealth. Taking this kind of loss is unimaginable.
I'm not a fan of politicians, but the level of stimulus in these plans is staggering. You don't pass that if its not serious.
There surely is some hysteria going on, but please just take a step back and admit to yourself that you are out of your league with this. Listen to the people who know what they are talking about. Listen to the people who have a lot more skin in the game than you do. Be smart enough to realize you are ignorant to the scale of what's happening.
"How many times have you gotten the flu in warm weather"
I got a bad cold last August. Then a few years ago I got a cold in June and August the same year. The one in June was very bad. I got colds when I lived in the topics. Colds are coronaviruses. However, I believe Covid-19 will disappear by May 1. This is because while you can get a cold in the summer it is not the norm. Most coronaviruses do disappear when the season changes to spring.
"why is it that you think you are smarter than the CDC, WHO, and every health care professional in the world?"
Because the WHO and CDC disagree on basic policies - the WHO does not recommend travel bans, for example.
hank jr wrote:
Ask yourself - why is it that you think you are smarter than the CDC, WHO, and every health care professional in the world?
Dunning-Kruger Effect.
hank jr wrote:
When this first started, I too was skeptical. But after some thought, I had to challenge my line of thinking.
Ask yourself - why is it that you think you are smarter than the CDC, WHO, and every health care professional in the world? These people are professionals who have dedicated their lives to this type of thing.
Why are you smarter than every executive board who is sacrificing billions of dollars to get through this? They are obligated to maximize shareholder wealth. Taking this kind of loss is unimaginable.
I'm not a fan of politicians, but the level of stimulus in these plans is staggering. You don't pass that if its not serious.
There surely is some hysteria going on, but please just take a step back and admit to yourself that you are out of your league with this. Listen to the people who know what they are talking about. Listen to the people who have a lot more skin in the game than you do. Be smart enough to realize you are ignorant to the scale of what's happening.
So the Governor of Wisconsin will let people go out to vote tomorrow, but those same people are not allowed to golf tomorrow. Just because people in charge have credentials and are experts in their fields doesn't always mean common sense comes along with it.
Idel wrote:
All the politicians , their expert mouth pieces , large media outlets , and rich and influential elites got fully on board with shutting down and causing all this damage. That train isn't going to turn around quickly because they won't admit the wrong they have done.
This is the most correct answer.
it's going to get better wrote:
Let's remember all the evidence shows that the numbers get exaggerating during a pandemic.
It's probably too much to ask that you point to "all the evidence", but maybe you could point to "any evidence" that this is the case.
Well, ok then wrote:
it's going to get better wrote:
Let's remember all the evidence shows that the numbers get exaggerating during a pandemic.
It's probably too much to ask that you point to "all the evidence", but maybe you could point to "any evidence" that this is the case.
H1n N1 10 years ago. At the same point in the pandemic the death rates were exaggerated 20 times
It's actually 20 to 50 * there's a lot of evidence of it that people were reporting death rates of 2% when the final total turned out to be .02
1ub2run wrote:
To your point, China opened movie theaters and closed them 2 weeks later. Shanghai opened public tourist and closed them.
Germany just released open lockdown plans and it involves 80% tracking.
To answer your question, USA needs tracking on a bracelet or Bar code on phone. If you have serological immunity, you need to be green lighted back into society. Scan & move along.
If you had a preventive vaccine, move along.
If I test positive, they need be able to track who I’ve been in contact for 2 weeks. What restaurants, what schools, etc
Yes. Affront to your personal liberty.
As this president is incapable of leading, I’m not sure tracking is possible. Thus, sit on your butt and wait for bio pharmaceutical miracle.. eta 1-2 years.
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rthsh wrote:
"How many times have you gotten the flu in warm weather"
I got a bad cold last August. Then a few years ago I got a cold in June and August the same year. The one in June was very bad. I got colds when I lived in the topics. Colds are coronaviruses. However, I believe Covid-19 will disappear by May 1. This is because while you can get a cold in the summer it is not the norm. Most coronaviruses do disappear when the season changes to spring.
May 1st in Florida, Michigan, Boston, Arizona? Does it matter where you live? I believe the weather in the south now is warmer than the weather some areas in the north will experience in June.
it's going to get better wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
It's probably too much to ask that you point to "all the evidence", but maybe you could point to "any evidence" that this is the case.
H1n N1 10 years ago. At the same point in the pandemic the death rates were exaggerated 20 times
It's actually 20 to 50 * there's a lot of evidence of it that people were reporting death rates of 2% when the final total turned out to be .02
I agree with your notion that the death rate is greatly exaggerated. At this point, if your look at confirmed cases and deaths its at 3% and will go up as more of the confirmed die. But we really have no clue how many infections there have been that we not reported due to no or minor symptoms. We really need to get the antibody testing out there and find out. There could realistically be 10 times or more the number infected, many of who had little to no symptoms.
I think comparing this to H1N1 is a less than great comparison. With how quickly the total numbers jumped this is clearly more deadly or more contagious than or run of the mill flu's, or it is both. For 1 strain to be taking this kind of toll daily is pretty conclusive of that. In the time it had to circulate prior to the stay at home orders it infected a lot of people.
That being said I don't know what the plan is here. There does not seem to be a clear direction and it looks like our leaders have made the decision letting it run its course is not an option. It seems the full shutdown South Korea style is not an option either. Maybe we're going with, lets throw the hail mary and hope the summer stops it. Which given the viruses spread in warmer climates, albeit slower, does not seem to be the solution.
coronacorona wrote:
Am I missing something? Is there a plan or a logical to reintroduce everybody into society? What happens when the quarantine is over, won’t the case spike then? Will we have to go back into quarantine if the number of cases begins to rise again? I haven’t heard anybody talk about how this ends, can somebody shed some light for me?
That's the stupidity of closing schools, social distancing and stay at home orders, people need to be infected to gain immunity. Just let everyone get infected, some will die, but that happens with the flu anyway in greater numbers than COVID-19 (see 2017/18).
"I believe the weather in the south now is warmer than the weather some areas in the north will experience in June. "
Warmer weather may not be the only criteria for why coronavirus typically disappear in the spring. It may be more complicated such as Florida, while hot when Michigan is still cool or cold, doesn't matter because Florida is in the "virus network".
must resist wrote:
UneducatedRedneck wrote:
How is the President incapable of leading? Is that code for you are incapable of following direction? What is he suppose to do that is not being done? The US has never been prepared for an epidemic in the past so why is this different?
This is different because the President is Trump and we have to use Covid as out best opportunity to get rid of him. Even at the cost of permanently damaging the country.
It may cost a lot of lives, but it will be a small price to pay for consigning the orange baboon to the dustbin of history.
Hmmmm????
That fact that you used word "Dust Bin" implies you're not from the U.S. or you're just really old. Anyway, whose "We"? You, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and the Gang of Four???? Ahhhhh!!!! I feel MUCH better with those idiots in charge.
runurass wrote:
1ub2run wrote:
To your point, China opened movie theaters and closed them 2 weeks later. Shanghai opened public tourist and closed them.
Germany just released open lockdown plans and it involves 80% tracking.
To answer your question, USA needs tracking on a bracelet or Bar code on phone. If you have serological immunity, you need to be green lighted back into society. Scan & move along.
If you had a preventive vaccine, move along.
If I test positive, they need be able to track who I’ve been in contact for 2 weeks. What restaurants, what schools, etc
Yes. Affront to your personal liberty.
As this president is incapable of leading, I’m not sure tracking is possible. Thus, sit on your butt and wait for bio pharmaceutical miracle.. eta 1-2 years.
Give me liberty, or give me death still apply?
Help me to understand wrote:
[quote]hank jr wrote:
So the Governor of Wisconsin will let people go out to vote tomorrow, but those same people are not allowed to golf tomorrow. Just because people in charge have credentials and are experts in their fields doesn't always mean common sense comes along with it.
Voting is a one day ordeal. Along with the government being able to directly control distancing and cleaning.
Things like golfing are an everyday occurrence with very little ability to monitor virus control guidelines.
It’s bad in Miami, it’s also very hot in Miami and has been since the outbreak started