with regards to Julies Mwangi he left butler under some nefarious circumstances in the ballpark of sexual assault/rape and ended up at Illinois State. He had a an OK track 10K but then faded away. I heard he was looking to become a nurse.
with regards to Julies Mwangi he left butler under some nefarious circumstances in the ballpark of sexual assault/rape and ended up at Illinois State. He had a an OK track 10K but then faded away. I heard he was looking to become a nurse.
Are you me? Heh. Same exact story. Sigh, so much wasted potential.
Whatever happened to Oscar Ponce? Does he still cross the border to run Mags every so often? The brojos should do an investigative piece.
YMMV wrote:
quilcene wrote:
Matt Davis' last race of his career, just ducking into the AA count. He, moreso than Goucher, was dogged by injuries and pulled off incredible performances with little or no training. He and Adam could have been an awesome duo, if healthy, to move ahead into the pro ranks together.
I was wondering who the fullback running for O was. Blast from the past.
Many many "could-have-beens" in the '90s, due IMO to low mile, high-intensity, Coe-BS training prevalent then. Truly a low point in U.S. running.
I remember coming home from school that Monday and looking at the results on - I believe - TrackandFieldPhoto.com (?). Really thought that Oregon team had a shot to do well. They tied Stanford at Regionals the week before, which I believe were held in Eugene and was a bit of a swan song for Dellinger. No one besides Fein really ran that well and it was a tough day for Matt, who a couple of years before had gutted out a 4th place on limited training.
I believe Abdi, Lagat, and maybe Oregon were all at the Mountain West Classic that year - we watched the college race before our race. College racing sure has changed over the last 20 years or so.
Goucher was on fire that year. The brief Abdi interview clip was great... he just loves running so much.
Finishing 7th had to be rough on Lagat's ego. He was just about to morph into "I chill in the back of the pack for 1400 meters and then do crazy eyes and move up 5 places" Lagat. No shame in losing to Goucher, but he lost to Brad Hauser. It reminds me a bit of Jakob getting dusted but showing lots of heart at World XC. It just ain't his event. Jakob vs. Cheptegei in XC is like Conor vs. Floyd in boxing.
Rupp fan wrote:
Goucher was on fire that year. The brief Abdi interview clip was great... he just loves running so much.
Finishing 7th had to be rough on Lagat's ego. He was just about to morph into "I chill in the back of the pack for 1400 meters and then do crazy eyes and move up 5 places" Lagat. No shame in losing to Goucher, but he lost to Brad Hauser. It reminds me a bit of Jakob getting dusted but showing lots of heart at World XC. It just ain't his event. Jakob vs. Cheptegei in XC is like Conor vs. Floyd in boxing.
The word that I would use to describe Abdi's interviews is "giddy".
Yup.
"Giddy yup"
Another 90s guy checking in. Top 30 program. Max 75 mpw.
Hard as you can intervals twice per week. Race or hard as you can “tempo” (i.e. race) on Saturday. Sunday long run 9-12 miles. Other days way too fast. Always beat down and underperforming.
My question looking back at those dark days: were the good programs like Arkansas, Stanford, Oregon, etc also training like idiots? But just with more talented recruits?
Thoughts on video:
Goucher's form is terrible, heel striking, bad angles everywhere. No wonder he had injuries—it’s a testament to his mental tenacity and aerobic talent that he was so good.
Abdi says you think Gouch looks bad? Hold my EPO. son.
Chubby, balding Lagat is funny.
I still remember so many of those names: Steve fein, downin, hausers.
Those baggy Nike shorts we all wore!
What a trip.
In short, yes for most programs; but different in Fayettenam. John had our long runs much further. Time has made my memory fade, but 14-16(?) (18?) was pretty typical. Also, mile repeats and 400m on the golf course. 10mile tempos. Easy days were 8 miles on the trails. Inevitably, with that much talent and ego around, we ran our easy days far too hard. You never wanted to be the weak link at practice (unless you’re Canadian), and definitely didn’t want to let John down on race day.
jjoooi wrote:
I ran in that race in '98 and am one of many to say that the 90's chewed up and spit out a lot of runners that could've been great. Way too much interval training and too few miles. My college program was ran the same way. 65-70 miles per week at peak. Only hard days were intervals. No tempo/threshold running. Long run was 10 miles. Easy days were spent racing teammates for the "top-dog on the team" title.
Thankfully things have changed. Lots of good coaches out there and an abundance of resources. Wish I knew then what I know now.
Great, succinct summary of 90’s training.
I was there in ‘98-2000 and we never went over 14 miles and only a couple ran that.
4 mile easy morning runs Monday - Thursday
The long run to 12 for the majority of the runners.
Intervals were Monday and Thursdays.
Tuesday/Wednesday were your morning run in the mornings and 8 miles in the afternoon at your own pace. Guys feeling good would run 43-45mins and guys needing a break would run 47-48 mins for their 8 mile.
^I was in Fayetteville in ‘98-2000.
Also of note on this race, had Mike Power not have been ill and DNF, he would have been top 10 as well.
freeidea wrote:
Other weird thing to me was that Lagat sounded about the same. Guess I would have thought his English would be worse back then.
Lagat was from the elite and well educated upper class society in Kenya. This makes him unique as it is commonly thought in Kenya that you need to be poor there to have the desire to put yourself through the pain to win.
Mark Hauser (ucla) sighting early on as the first runner to the turn, San Diego product whose teammate Meb won the year before. He ended up finishing 24th. I remember him as more of a 1500 meter guy. Amazing Meb had such a great collegiate 5k/10k career training on the asphalt jungle of Westwwod.
There is a brief mention in RWTB about about the parking and traffic congestion problems at the Rim Rock Farm course on the day of the NCAA XC championships. Lear blames the problems on the organizers not planning on 1000+ additional spectators showing over any other race that was held there previously (like the pre-nationals race). I don't think he mentions the Division II race also being held there the same day. The Colorado men's team got to the course with just enough time to warm up and prepare for the race and no time to spare. It's possible that some teams/individuals got to the course late and either missed their races or the start times were postponed. At the least it was a headache for the spectators. I'm sure the NCAA committee would consider those logistical issues before returning there.
Not Chris Lear wrote:
There is a brief mention in RWTB about about the parking and traffic congestion problems at the Rim Rock Farm course on the day of the NCAA XC championships. Lear blames the problems on the organizers not planning on 1000+ additional spectators showing over any other race that was held there previously (like the pre-nationals race). I don't think he mentions the Division II race also being held there the same day. The Colorado men's team got to the course with just enough time to warm up and prepare for the race and no time to spare. It's possible that some teams/individuals got to the course late and either missed their races or the start times were postponed. At the least it was a headache for the spectators. I'm sure the NCAA committee would consider those logistical issues before returning there.
I concur.
TM2020 wrote:
I was there in ‘98-2000 and we never went over 14 miles and only a couple ran that.
4 mile easy morning runs Monday - Thursday
The long run to 12 for the majority of the runners.
Intervals were Monday and Thursdays.
Tuesday/Wednesday were your morning run in the mornings and 8 miles in the afternoon at your own pace. Guys feeling good would run 43-45mins and guys needing a break would run 47-48 mins for their 8 mile.
I love the 6 minutes recovery run only if you were feeling terrible. So true.
Following current elites on Strava and seeing them run 7-730 easy days is fascinating.
Looking back through my old logs, every workout was to the max. If it was 6x mile, or 10x400, we ran as hard as you could, sprinting and wheezing the last rep for bragging rights. I see no threshold workouts or ANY workout where the concept of managing intensity was present.
TM2020 wrote:
^I was in Fayetteville in ‘98-2000.
Also of note on this race, had Mike Power not have been ill and DNF, he would have been top 10 as well.
Wait… Teddy Mitchell??
But 25 years earlier, Prefontaine ran ten 5K races faster than 13:30, wherein because of his fortitude, he personally tweaked Bowerman's hard day-easy day-hard day-easy to instead two hard-days-easy-day.
Yes or no?
SDRunner wrote:
Amazing Meb had such a great collegiate 5k/10k career training on the asphalt jungle of Westwwod.
Coach Larsen's bread-and-butter was 'long tempo's', rather than track intervals.
Yes or no?
holpin wrote:
But 25 years earlier, Prefontaine ran ten 5K races faster than 13:30, wherein because of his fortitude, he personally tweaked Bowerman's hard day-easy day-hard day-easy to instead two hard-days-easy-day.
Yes or no?
Mind you, that was without the benefit of altitude training, or new-fangled thyroid drugs.
Yes or no?