How Come "Excess Mortality Rates" in Europe Have Not Increased In The Last Two Weeks?

Call down, and don't be so scared boy.

Nobody around here has any fear or panic.

You're just overreacting; it's okay. You don't have to go digging around on the Internet to try to reassure yourself; just talk to normal humans, and you'll find out pretty much nobody is full of fear and panic.

There are some idiots pretending people are panicking, but they're just political trolls.

So calm down, don't pee your pants, and you'll be okay.

Italy's 4 week lockdown will have to be extended. Probably will be 8 weeks total before they lift the provisions. USA acts as if 2 weeks is enough? that would imply a massive risk for trumpy

I have a source on the ground in Vienna. Austrians are mostly cooperating with their government's orders. It is not a simple coincidence that Austria is doing relatively well. You do know Austria has challenges. Austria borders Italy. Province/state of Tyrol, Austria is an overlapping territory with numerous Italians. Austrians were not making jokes about this virus. U.S. had Hannity and Limbaugh calling this a Democrat hoax up until a week ago. Austria took this seriously from day one.

Is your source from AUStralia or from AUsTria?

As always, the devil is in the details.

Yo bro this is good info. Keep up the good work. A lot of people are acting irrational and getting swept up in the frenzy

Remember also that we never tested everyone dying for a specific virus like this before

So a lot of people that might have died anyway of other causes are being tested and being labeled as dying from Coronavirus

Also just look at our past history of Boogeyman typed fear-mongering. Communism in Southeast Asia. Peak oil. Y2K.

Austria, the nation that borders Italy.

Let’s hope you’re right, but Spain only really started feeling the effects this week and most other countries are a week or two off. If in two weeks the same is true, I’ll gladly admit I’m wrong

8. Deaths under the age of 50 yearsTo date (March the 20th), 36 of 3200 (1.1%) COVID-19 positive patients under the age of 50 have died. Inparticular, 9 of these were younger than 40 years, 8 men and 1 woman (age range between 31 and 39years). For 2 patients under the age of 40 years, no clinical information is available; the remaining 7 had serious pre-existing pathologies (cardiovascular, renal, psychiatric pathologies, diabetes, obesity).

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

itsokayboy wrote:

Call down, and don't be so scared boy.

Nobody around here has any fear or panic.

You're just overreacting; it's okay. You don't have to go digging around on the Internet to try to reassure yourself; just talk to normal humans, and you'll find out pretty much nobody is full of fear and panic.

There are some idiots pretending people are panicking, but they're just political trolls.

So calm down, don't pee your pants, and you'll be okay.

Calm down? Allen's post was about as calm as you can get. I had to re-read it and the calmness was amazing!

[quote]itsokayboy wrote:

Call down, and don't be so scared boy.

Nobody around here has any fear or panic.

You're just overreacting; it's okay.

How to totally misinterpret a post.

The point is overall mortality has not gone up in any Euro nations other than Italy and Switzerland.

Putting the whole virus mania into context.

Wow Allen. You are stupid. It’s confirmed.

This isn’t about mortality rates. This is ALL about healthcare capacity. What do you fail to understand about that?

best post ever wrote:

Wow Allen. You are stupid. It’s confirmed.

This isn’t about mortality rates. This is ALL about healthcare capacity. What do you fail to understand about that?

In order to measure the true impact of this disease and not just buy the 24/7 hype, excess mortality is the way to go.

Is this really so hard for you to understand?

If the data are correct, it is probably because of the lack of people driving, cycling, falling down outside, overdosing on recreational drugs, etc. And maybe the hand washing and other covid inspired hygiene is saving lives from other bugs.

Mortality rates don't matter? If everyone stays locked up for a year and starves to death in order to free up hospital beds, you would be happy? Decision makers need to to consider every unattended consequence of their decisions.

Allen53 wrote:

8. Deaths under the age of 50 yearsTo date (March the 20th), 36 of 3200 (1.1%) COVID-19 positive patients under the age of 50 have died. Inparticular, 9 of these were younger than 40 years, 8 men and 1 woman (age range between 31 and 39years). For 2 patients under the age of 40 years, no clinical information is available; the remaining 7 had serious pre-existing pathologies (cardiovascular, renal, psychiatric pathologies, diabetes, obesity).

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

I don’t know the prevalence of pre-existing conditions in Italy, but I notice you bold them as if that means something to you.

In the US, we are essentially a country or pre-existing conditions.

40% adults are obese

Another 30% are overweight

30% of Americans have diabetes or prediabetes

46% of adults have high blood pressure

The lifetime probability of a person being said nosed with cancer is 38%

20% of Americans have asthma of some form of lung condition

Then, there’s this list of diseases that compromise the immune system.

I’d say, less than 1/3 people have zero of these issues.

It not only means something it is in fact the leading indicator. That 99% of those who died in Italy had at least one pre-existing condition is a staggering fact.

All of these arguments of “but they had a pre-existing condition” is startling to really piss me off - as if that makes the death “acceptable.” Yes if someone is 85 and about to die, I get it. But if they are a 35 year old with diabetes, or 35 and a father of two and had a childhood organ transplant, then you are happy to die even though they would have lived for another 30 years?

I had to delete like several posts when the 1980 NCAA 110h runner up died as many were like “What pre-existing condition did he have?” I think it’s just a way for healthy middle aged people to feel better about themselves. They think, “It’s not going to kill me’. That’s statistically true but there are some totally healthy 35 year olds dying.

Whoa, Rojo going up against Allen53? I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for Allen's reply. No doubt Allen's response will be 100x more articulate and scientifically supported than mine but ....

Of course, there will be outliers in any disease. Cancer primarily targets the old versus the young but there is sadly a certain population of young people that get hit. Was it exposure to carcinogens, genetics or simply impaired immune function nobody will know. 150 plus kids have died of the flu this year but my guess is the more recent fatalities are being classified as COVID. As John Lee points out in his article in "The Spectator" is the COVID fatality reporting even accurate? I actually would classify myself and my kids (both college runners) in the vulnerable population as we are all severe asthmatics with multiple bouts of pneumonia. I actually have scarred lungs from TB when I was 2. Do I feel we should shut down the world, compromise our civil liberties, trash the economy for generations to come, possibly cause a civil war, all in an effort to protect me and my vulnerable kids? Thanks but no thanks. Give me freedom or give me death. I have to say, I will take the latter.

rojo wrote:

All of these arguments of “but they had a pre-existing condition” is startling to really piss me off - as if that makes the death “acceptable.” Yes if someone is 85 and about to die, I get it. But if they are a 35 year old with diabetes, or 35 and a father of two and had a childhood organ transplant, then you are happy to die even though they would have lived for another 30 years?

I had to delete like several posts when the 1980 NCAA 110h runner up died as many were like “What pre-existing condition did he have?” I think it’s just a way for healthy middle aged people to feel better about themselves. They think, “It’s not going to kill me’. That’s statistically true but there are some totally healthy 35 year olds dying.

Well said Rojo, plus one.