Everyone is going to be wearing masks in a couple weeks

Good move. Just leave your milk, eggs, and frozen tendies in the garage bro

You just need to attach an ordinary mask with lots of masking tape!

Not enough clear guidance wrote:

I get that if you work in a hospital you have to be extra extra careful but as a regular person if we start down this rabbit hole of never being exposed we'll all go nuts.. A generation of germaphobes is being created, is that what we should be doing???

+1

Yes.

why would I do this? wrote:

Unless it's an N95, the mask doesn't keep the wearer from getting sick, so why would I start wearing a mask?

Right. Plus even if you're wearing an N95 mask, the virus can still be absorbed through your eye ducts and through the sweat glands in your skin.

The N95 wrote:

why would I do this? wrote:

Unless it's an N95, the mask doesn't keep the wearer from getting sick, so why would I start wearing a mask?

Right. Plus even if you're wearing an N95 mask, the virus can still be absorbed through your eye ducts and through the sweat glands in your skin.

It's not about you. It's about you not knowing you're sick and spreading the disease to others through your breath/talking.

I found these masks because my work had to implement them when we're working (restaurant). I've been sharing them with everyone cause they're really comfortable haha. I even bought them for my whole family haha.

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DouglasTheDog wrote:

I found these masks because my work had to implement them when we're working (restaurant). I've been sharing them with everyone cause they're really comfortable haha. I even bought them for my whole family haha.

I asked my GF to make one from her bra, like this (quote from video: "cup size is not important" ;-)

Umi R wrote:

Good move. Just leave your milk, eggs, and frozen tendies in the garage bro

Sorry, I should have mentioned I live in an area where over night lows have been dipping down to near or slightly below freezing, and that means my garage may hit 40 degrees. I would think people living in warmer climates could bag their items needing refrigeration and let any viruses die within the bag in a refrigerator or freezer. The other items could spend a few days bagged in the garage, basement, etc. Simple things like this possibly could make a big difference.

The N95 wrote:

why would I do this? wrote:

Unless it's an N95, the mask doesn't keep the wearer from getting sick, so why would I start wearing a mask?

Right. Plus even if you're wearing an N95 mask, the virus can still be absorbed through your eye ducts and through the sweat glands in your skin.

So, having all skin covered and wearing glasses/goggles would make sense from a safety standpoint. Are you of the belief that the virus can be spread by someone's breath that may be more than 6 feet from you? If that is the case social distance needs an overhaul...

Shannegen wrote:

That’s a tough one... I don’t actually know the answer. In other words, I don’t think anyone can tell you how long the virus is active on a solid / inanimate surface.

Thanks for your honesty. This is why it seems simple enough to just have the belief that everyone outside your household is a carrier of the virus and everything you touch outside of your household is infected with the virus. If everyone would behave with those concerns in mind the spread should be reduced and be should get through this sooner than later, or am I missing something?

Help me to understand wrote:

The N95 wrote:

Right. Plus even if you're wearing an N95 mask, the virus can still be absorbed through your eye ducts and through the sweat glands in your skin.

So, having all skin covered and wearing glasses/goggles would make sense from a safety standpoint. Are you of the belief that the virus can be spread by someone's breath that may be more than 6 feet from you? If that is the case social distance needs an overhaul...

It does need an overhaul. We are seeing that with Los Angeles now urging people to wear masks, and the White House/CDC considering revising their recommendations on masks.

The new evidence coming out supports the idea that the virus is transmitted through the air.

Here's an article from Nature that discusses the recent evidence. It's safer to assume that it's airborne at this point. Some highlights if you don't want to go to the link:

Since early reports revealed that a new coronavirus was spreading rapidly between people, researchers have been trying to pin down whether it can travel through the air. Health officials say the virus is transported only through droplets that are coughed or sneezed out — either directly, or on objects. But some scientists say there is preliminary evidence that airborne transmission — in which the disease spreads in the much smaller particles from exhaled air, known as aerosols — is occurring, and that precautions, such as increasing ventilation indoors, should be recommended to reduce the risk of infection.

But experts that work on airborne respiratory illnesses and aerosols say that gathering unequivocal evidence for airborne transmission could take years and cost lives. We shouldn’t “let perfect be the enemy of convincing”, says Michael Osterholm, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.

“In the mind of scientists working on this, there’s absolutely no doubt that the virus spreads in the air,” says aerosol scientist Lidia Morawska at the Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia. “This is a no-brainer.”

Aerosols are also more likely to be produced by talking and breathing, which might even constitute a bigger risk than sneezing and coughing, says virologist Julian Tang at the University of Leicester, UK. “When someone’s coughing, they turn away, and when they’re sneezing, they turn away,” he says. That’s not the case when we talk and breathe.

A study of people with influenza found that 39% of people exhaled infectious aerosols. As long as we are sharing an airspace with someone else, breathing in the air that they exhale, airborne transmission is possible, says Tang.

I’m sure it’s transmitted in the air. Aerosols and droplets both travel through the air, the question we can’t answer is how far, and how much can you inhale.

Here’s the rest of the Nature article that you didn’t list above (I just copied the studies)

- Lan and his colleagues report finding viral RNA from SARS-CoV-2 in a number of locations, including the department stores. The study doesn’t ascertain whether the aerosols collected were able to infect cells.

- Another study failed to find evidence of SARS-CoV-2 in air samples in isolation rooms for COVID-19 in Singapore. Surface samples from an air outlet fan did return a positive result, but two of the authors told Nature in an e-mail that the outlet was close enough to a person with COVID-19 that it could have been contaminated by respiratory droplets from a cough or sneeze.

- A similar study by researchers in Nebraska found viral RNA in nearly two-thirds of air samples collected in isolation rooms of patient with severe COVID-19 and in a quarantine facility housing those with mild infections. Surfaces in ventilation grates also tested positive. None of the air samples was infectious in cell culture.

- Air sampling from people when they talk, breathe, cough and sneeze — and testing for viable virus in those samples — “would be another big part of the puzzle”, he says. One such study failed to detect viral RNA in air collected 10 centimetres in front of one person with COVID-19 who was breathing, speaking and coughing, but the authors didn’t rule out airborne transmission entirely

- Another crucial unknown is the infectious dose: the number of SARS-CoV-2 particles necessary to cause an infection, says Lloyd-Smith. “If you’re breathing aerosolized virus, we don’t know what the infectious dose is that gives a significant chance of being infected,” he says.

This last Point is the most crucial. if they think it’s airborne, nothing short of an N95 will protect people. Surgical masks won’t (they only prevent direct droplets, like when you touch your face). They do prevent asymptomatic shedding, but for that to be effective, it has to be all-or-none... meaning it only works if EVERYONE does it. South Korea has a nationwide campaign to centrally allocate and distribute masks so everyone had them, at the same time. (In addition to a lot of other interventions).

The droplets and aerosols from a cough, sneeze, or talking or singing will be about the same whether someone is sick with COVID-19 or measles, or not sick at all. So I think the infectious dose must be higher than measles, since the droplet carrier is the same, but it's not as infectious. But it is more infectious than influenza.

I watched a youtube interview with Prof. Kim Woo-Ju, one of the top health officals in South Korea, and his thinking was that it's mostly heavier droplet transmitted in normal situations. But he said that in some circumstances, it is transmitted through aerosols. He believes that it was aerosolized transmission that caused the largest cluster of cases in South Korea that grew to account for half of the countries cases. This was the case of people singing for hours in close quarters in the Shincheonji church. So this is similar to, but even worse than the Washington state choir practice that infected 45 of 60 people and had 2 people die.

Here's that interview:

https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU

Exactly. +10000 to what you said.

If I’m putting an artificial airway in someone, aerosolization is so high that I wear an N95 and face shield. That’s basically the only time I wear an N95. For everything else, regular gown, gloves and paper mask.

It’s absolutely more infectious than flu. Measles is both airborne and, as far as we know, has the lowest infectious dose of any virus (except maybe Ebola, but we don’t know as much about that one).

I’m glad I came on this thread. You guys changed my mind... I don’t go out in public any more, but if I do, I will be wearing a mask/ face cover. I’m a “low risk” to get sick from it, but you guys reminded me I’m the HIGHEST RISK TO SHED ASYMPTOMATICALLY. MY BAD for not realizing that. I should know better.

Thanks everyone